February 2012
322 tweets
Ça prend combien de temps pour Google de traiter les abus GMail? J'attends qu'ils s'occupent du compte de @lancarbenjamin qui me spame...
"Fun fact: people are citizens while on the internet too" smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=c…
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Ah, donc la meilleure stratégie serait de faire rajouter d'autres innocents au fichier de mailing pirate de l'UMP?
Ma note sur la coproduction citoyenne est rééditée aux PUF: j.mp/wHrdYN%0A Ça claque!
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Les PUF c'est quand même pas mal je trouve ;)
Je veux être présidant! jeveuxetrepresidant.wordpress.com
I am indeed, though that's only one of the things I do — depends where you want to put that job title.
In that case I think the more traditional "Robin Berjon — Raw Animal Magnetism" is more appropriate.
PHP, why u not dead already?
The fact that people have suffered terribly in the past should not justify more suffering in the future!
Javascript, Perl, Ruby at the very least!
Define popular :) There are blog/CMS solutions for all ecosystems.
Malheureusement oui :) @nhoizey
Poll for #xmlprague: would you prefer the HTML/XML panel to be more inflammatory or cooperative?
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I'll be on stage baby, what else do you expect?
How many different hosting plans do you need? @nhoizey
Nope! I can bang some slides together, but we have to agree on a split of some kind.
So far, @karlpro wants cooperative, @brucel wants sex, the rest of the world wants blood. All is in order. #xmlprague
I only care about creating a situation in which I never have to be faced with it again :) @nhoizey
I don't think that there's one time when I didn't look at the docs without throwing up in my mouth a little... @nhoizey
W3C introduces a new, cheaper fee level for really small companies at €1950. Pretty cool.
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I wasn't asking for a pragmatic response — my question was moral in fibre. Morally, PHP should just die. Painfully. @nhoizey
Honestly, no, but I'll help if you want to. Note that there's also MacGap!
Is there a language in which you *can't* do that? :)
Oui oui, pardon dans ma tête j'avais répondu, mais apparemment ça ne marche pas comme ça...
Un cours! Bahalala. Un que tu donnes?
Amène tes étudiants, ils apprendront forcément quelque chose :)
A partir de 19h, jusque ~22h je pense!
Is there any reason not to shut down one's Google Plus account? It seems to be like Wave but with more spam.
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Does it have a decent client? The web apps really blows.
Hey, man, you in Paris btw?
At this point I haven't bothered, mostly because the app feels too clunky. I see little more than notifications from fake follows
Unfortunately it's not a good week for evenings for me, but I could drop by for lunch tomorrow for instance!
Guess I'll keep my account dormant and wait for a client or a better web app!
Excellent! See you tomorrow :)
I like to try new stuff :)
is right hitting a random restaurant should usually be at least okay :) @tabatkins which area are you looking for restaurants in?
Not even sure how to find rognons but there's a place next to here that has all-you-can-eat tête de veau on Thursdays! @tabatkins
I've never dared go there though ;) @sgalineau @tabatkins
En effet lapin de @rubin, il existe une norme ISO 32000-1:2008 qui est PDF 1.7. Après, ça reste un format de merde hein.
Dans la série tu as aussi l'URSSAF et ses PDF qui affichent un contenu différent dans Reader ou Preview.app... @marcvasseur
Ceux-là même — mais rien ne te le dit, et tu peux te taper de bons quiproquos au téléphone... @marcvasseur
Le type qui a eu l'idée de mélanger l'administration et l'informatique est un absolu génie du mal. @marcvasseur
Tu as entendu quoi?
Je donne un cours online "Mobile Web 2: Applications" sous l'égide du W3C Dev Campus — venez nombreux! w3devcampus.com
Bien heureusement non! Juste du Javascript ;)
Il va falloir juger ça à la photo :-) Par ailleurs, de nos jours c'est.un format relativement ouvert, même si pourri!
Bah. Just use different nerds. *smug pout*
WebIDL captures JS constructs far more succinctly than JS would!
That's entirely orthogonal to WebIDL though!
I've been giving Firefox Aurora a spin on Android and it's just stupidly fast! Great to see Mozilla killing on a mobile.
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I will, but so far it's smooth! Font rendering is sometimes a bit weird but that's all.
Yes, I understand how it works, I'm just saying that that decision is entirely out of WebIDL's hands.
Does society benefit when we share personal information online? economist.com/debate/days/vi…
@vuesdelesprit Damien!
I tried Dolphin a long time ago and don't recall much. Aurora is the snappiest and prettiest I've tried to date.
Je ne savais pas que t'étais dans le Web aussi, faudra qu'on se boive une bière si on est au même endroit :)
J'y suis rarement mais je note!
Ow no fair! No teasing! ;) @stshank
2062: y a-t-il un commissaire pour sauver l'exposition? j.mp/wOGOhO%0A (chez @projectitude)
@Claude_S T'as pas trouvé une photo plus floue? On te reconnait encore plutôt bien :)
Thanks man :)
Thanks! Welcome @kdurrani :)
Just arrived at #xmlprague, Hotel Ariston. Anyone around?
Yes, I know @davidcmoulton, he helped with suggestions for the course :)
How long are you staying there? I'm meeting Norm at 1900 at his hotel. Neither is far from the Uni.
Ok, I'm off to find Norm — text me if you're on your way out!
Hollande contre ACTA — ça commence à reprendre du poil de la bête, petit à petit francoishollande.fr/communiques/tr…
Wow, much bigger room for #xmlprague. Waiting for @jeni to keynote!
And yes, I do know it's @jenit #xmlprague
Ah, tu as un candidat qui ne l'est pas? Tu es sur la ligne du MLG? ;)
#xmlprague @jenit takes to the stage to talk about Collisions, Chimera, and Consonance in Web Content.
"Initially, the Web was about a simple, not particularly well though-out language" @jenit #xmlprague
@ndw We should figure out which one of us does what part at some point :)
"XSLT is a Miss Piggy language" @jenit #xmlprague Strong pig theme in this talk.
I think @jenit's saying that JSON is Mister T, right? #xmlprague
#xmlprague So URLs are what binds the galaxy together, says @jenit.
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May the URLs be with you. #xmlprague In fact, it works for all of those quotes :)
"XML was one of those child prodigies pushed to do all sorts of things. Then realised it had to make a choice." @jenit #xmlprague
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Is there live streaming for #xmlprague?
Grave! C'est trop bien!
Ah, sorry, I'm behind the flow of tweets, and looked for a link on the sessions page! Thanks! @jirkakosek
Follow #xmlprague live from xmlprague.cz/2012/twitterwa…
#xmlprague @fsasaki asks if the communities are ready for an "A-Team" conference of XML, JSON, RDF, HTML.
Et y'a des gens qui paient pour venir voir ça!
I'm offering good alcohol to anyone who can come up with a good DocBook joke before 11h45. #xmlprague
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On set live sur internet si tu t'ennuies: j.mp/wrknku%0A Là c'est "Collisions, Chimera and Consonance in Web Content" :)
Yeah, no, that's definitely not funny :)
What can you offer more than good alcohol? #xmlprague
Steven seems to doubt that SVG is the best thing that happened to the Web. I find his lack of faith… disturbing. #xmlprague
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"Is it possible that HTML5 may be suffering from the newcomer's overconfidence?" @stevenpemberton #xmlprague
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"But but but…. HTML was first!" @annevk #xmlprague
HA! But I can offer more more good alcohol! #xmlprague
"Legislation.gov.uk is radically changing the way legislation is drafted." @jenit on #opendata #xmlprague
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I think I'm doomed, can't find the <informaljocularaside> element. #xmlprague
@ndw Have you committed the change you wanted to make? Pull tells me it's up to date.
No, I'm only doing Prague on the XML circuit — I almost don't use XML :)
People are still arguing about which one it would be. I think JSON is Mr. T :) @fsasaki
I defected to HTML ;)
"When the wind is strong enough, even flatirons can fly" @evlist on the XML hype #xmlprague
If you'd all listened to me about binary XML we wouldn't be having this discussion today :) #xmlprague #srsly
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EXI is close enough (if a little too complex IMHO), but too late for a lot of people. Oh look: j.mp/wFWVz6%0A #xmlprague
Way to go!
Hmmm, W3C was not founded in 1985 — that's the year that SMS became a standard. #xmlprague
"XML is more a philosophy than a language, and it's based on data model, not syntax" @evlist #xmlprague
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Pretty cool!
I'm sure we could figure out a way to i18n it if people really are interested :)
"Unlike @tbray I wouldn't call them bozos, just normal developers trying to get things done" @annevk #xmlprague
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It is an unshakable part of my being that I just love chimeras :) @jenit
#xmlprague @annevk is being very consensual and bad-mouthing HTML quite a lot in his XML5 talk. Oh how the mighty have fallen!
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JS is like Perl — pretty much any arbitrary string is a valid program ;)
More seriously, the difference is composabilty. JSON, JS are rarely composed from disparate sources — HTML is, a lot.
#xmlprague @annevk demos a real-world XML5 parser; reinstates the old </> close tag from SGML.
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Quote of the day: @annevk "I think that what people have said so far is very sensible." #xmlprague
You could indeed use something CSS-like to layer accessibility semantics on arbitrary XML, but there's little demand for it.
Oui: j.mp/A4AhS3%0A et j.mp/z7vbAU%0A
No, but the assumption is that it could be used in user-facing environments — which doesn't necessarily imply rendering it
I don't think it needs to happen fast, but it would be nice for it to happen. I think there's interest, esp. together with :target
Not everybody, but enough of a majority that it can be assumed to be the same ;-p
You may have a case for the defunct head/@profile HTML attribute there. @ndw @jonathan_robie
How many non-WF papers did you get? Are there anonymised stats?
Hmm, I think that developers need to appreciate how frustrating using the web can be for AT users!
Aren't they all so old as to be almost dead by now? Oh, wait...
You mean they have migrated to the external subset?
So… is there any reason why we should bother using XProc with XML? Thanks to Vojtěch it finally seems useful! [*ducks*] #xmlprague
How could I forget to include a design for JSProc in the paper? If only for @ndw… #xmlprague
I haven't heard of anyone still using Cocoon in a long time. I know a few legacy AxKit users, but not many #xmlprague
Not necessarily Javascript — but to find a way to bring them into the ecosystem. #xmlprague
Alex! Where are you?
Well, you know, I think a valid DocBook is a dead DocBook ;-) #xmlprague
What else is left when no one else will accept that you're right? ;-)
Stop making me use it :) @ndw
Isn't there a Javascript syntax for DocBook by now? #xmlprague
Namespaces porn! See berjon.com/blog/2009/12/x…
RelaxNG possibly has the worst error messages every. #xmlprague
Oh my god, look! NVDL used in the wild! dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1…
It's worse than you think — I have 10.6 with 10.7 autochecker but I can't turn it off… It hurts!
Ouch, man, why?
Same for earlier versions of AxKit: it would just core. In figuring out why, one got to understand the implementation well :)
"They fell into spec masturbation, writing specs for people who write specs."
"Hey! That's the TAG's job."
#xmlprague
"What happens in Prague stays in Prague" says @innovimax #xmlprague
Before or after June? To know if you were born after text messaging :)
Hey, we bring our own kind of crazy to the table! @jenit
"XQ-- is XQuery minus XML" @jonathan_robie #xmlprague For people who like JSON.
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Could you use JSONiq with something that indexes on map/reduce like CouchDB? #xmlprague
At #xmlprague, @annevk discovers that languages stemming from XPath are not 0-based.
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Has anyone done a NodeJS binding for Zorba? Using it as a JSON store? #xmlprague
Does it have to be PDF?
That's very sexy! I wonder if it could be used as a backend for something like Data.js/substance.io.
I'm trying to wrap my head about how it interfaces with Mongo. Are there some details other than the code?
It's funny how the best way to hear about the coolest JSON stuff is by going to an XML conference these days. #xmlprague
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So how many different JSON query methods do we have now? Is it time to maybe *shudder* standardise? #xmlprague
More or less :) But I don't think we actually have a standard, just a bunch of implementations!
So far we've seen JSONiq and MarkLogic's Corona that could both be quite useful for stuff I need — and lots of other cool stuff.
Well, in this case I think it could be useful to be able to reuse queries across systems!
They're all different — but @jonathan_robie just answered that better than I possibly could have :)
I reckon it would need to be explained at first, but I think it should be possible to sell it. @dmccreary
Do you want a zip in email? Otherwise slides+presentations from github.com/darobin/xml-pr… are it.
Sent!
Let's keep that as a surprise for later :) (that one *always* tripped me up) @dmccreary @annevk
And I gave a course on JSON at XML Summer School 2010 — it's a hot topic! @grtjn
That sucks — very sorry to hear that. I sure hope you come next time!
Agreed — hence my question on making it better adapted to that environment :)
Conversely — keep giving them beer until they agree. The result can't be worse than what we have now :) @jirkakosek @michaelhkay
How about a public hanging of JSON mapping creators instead? #xmlprague
It can — I'm just pointing out the lowest energy approach that will yield the same result :)
I wonder if we could give XForms the cross-pollination treatment based on data-* attributes and Knockout.js
"This is much more efficient than building web apps with Java or PHP" It's also safer than clubbing yourself in the head! :) #xmlprague
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Compiling XQuery into Javascript using XSLT — that's just sexy :) #xmlprague
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I like @adamretter's REST stuff — I wonder if it would be useful to have a standard for route definitions. #xmlprague
There was a big anti-#ACTA demonstration last night in Prague, close to the monastery, around eleven. #xmlprague
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Was it not a unitarian movement? ;)
Ah oui, petit bug. Pas très grave :)
"It's a mature language" That's a nice way of killing with a compliment. #xmlprague
I wonder what happens when you put lipstick on a chimera. #xmlprague
Carrot looks like XSLT had it been designed by Larry Wall. (I like that). #xmlprague
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Given the number of XSLT lovers in the room, @evanlenz may be feeding carrots to the pigs :) *Runs out of the room quickly* #xmlprague
Funny just how similar John's XQuery code is to the one I wrote in JS for the paper. #xmlprague
It's quite easy, you just implement it with functions, functions, functions, baked beans and functions. #xmlprague
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Is there a pun in rbtree? #xmlprague
The magic node, returns a mode, some good does bode, as functions rode. @jpcs does a good Dr. Seuss #xmlprague
"This looks like an XQuery over data… but it's an XQuery over functions!!!!!1" (super happy face) @jpcs #xmlprague
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Oh, right — I hadn't noticed the slides underneath the code :) @jpcs
I wonder how "not complicated" is something that @jpcs can hack in 15 minutes. #xmlprague
I agree with @adamretter, you should use the right tool for the job: Javascript. #xmlprague
Testing the usage of the special Unicode character we talked about during the break. #xmlprague
The first one didn't work — let's look at what happens with U+202E #xmlprague
Sadly, it appears that the fine folks at Twitter know about this trick and protect you from it. #xmlprague But check out U+202E, it's fun!
Well — CSS has recently been shown to be Turing-complete so it certainly is tempting :) @adamretter
I tried — but sadly Twitter removes it. But I tried it in TextMate and it works there. I can *really* screw up some source code :-D
I wonder if you can ask a tired Java developer if he's lost his POJO. #xmlprague
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You somewhere around man?
I checked, 5 individuals can support a group, no need for companies. Go click on j.mp/xq0dQa%0A
It reverses the writing direction, while being a zero-width character — great for confusing people :)
Too loaded, gives the impression that it's the next version of XML. It would be too political. @annevk
XML Error Recovery Community Group proposed. Go vote for it at j.mp/xq0dQa%0A! #xmlprague
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Already taken :) @annevk
What do you see at j.mp/xq0dQa%0A ? No "Yes, create community group" button? @w3c
Remember: W3C Community Groups are open to *everyone* and *everyone* can vote to support a group. So don't be shy and come play! #xmlprague
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That's because we don't need more votes — we have five :) @roessler @jirkakosek
Yes, they have different rules from Working Group, etc at almost every level.
Note that it says "You are one of the 5 people who support this group. Once 5 people support the group it will be created" :)
Thanks to all who voted for the XML-ER! It's now in the pipeline to be created! #xmlprague
Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying.
MSM uses John Amos Comenius en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Amos… as the central figure for #xmlprague closing keynote (via @jonathan_robie)
No we're not, we even allow merkins in our midst :)
Bah, nostalgie nombriliste :)
Well duh — have you seen the building? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_and_M…
Let's just say that it seemed like a good idea when we talked about it around shots last night ;)
Yes, there are several levels of punning involved. But no malice ;) @evanlenz
Yeah, I'd lie if I said you're not missing out. MSM is talking about you if it's any consolation :)
Ah, MSM is talking about the value of vernacular architecture. #xmlprague
"Do not sit close to other people when @jpcs gives a talk to avoid the shrapnel from heads exploding" MSM #xmlprague
And thus closes yet another amazing XML Prague. Can't wait for 2013. #xmlprague
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Hey, who's the basta^Wmysterious person who made me chair of XML-ER? I thought it was supposed to be @ndw!
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I tried, but I can think of more trust-unworthy people who could've done it than I care to shake a stick at :) @ndw @grtjn
Yes, I cringed at first but thinking more about it so long as there's a versionless variant I actually like it I think :) @rgarner
Yes, especially in code :)
@patricelamothe Félicitations sur la levée!
We were talking about JSONiq, a very interesting piece of tech: j.mp/wV6DWF%0A and j.mp/wLWY7P%0A @grtjn
You can also read the conference session we were attending in the proceedings: j.mp/zanX5H%0A Video coming soon I think.
That would be so mundane :) @annevk
Join the group and have your voice heard :) The goal is to keep the changes to a minimal for HTML-like parsing.
Hahaha, that's hilarious! And I love John Snelson :)
Wow, you rock! I now have no excuse not to build on that and ship something :) @JeniT
I'll email the group to try to do this the kosher way :)
Yes, it's certainly easier with strings but… I stubbornly prefer to use DOM here :) Will try to change it, see how it goes!
Yes, there are many templating solutions that could help, I guess extending them to support @inigos's apply() would work well too.
This is @jirkakosek, one of the #xmlprague organisers: buddobrej.cz/img/ucitele/ko… Now you know why this conference rocks.
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@mattb I hear you mentioned sensors in web apps during MoMo. Any specific interest in the topic?
Interested in CSS Schema and JS-SLT? Grab our slides j.mp/xp0ydP%0A and proceedings j.mp/xBnGdZ%0A. Video up soon (I think)
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JSONiq — A genuinely powerful JSON query language zorba-xquery.com/html/jsoniq
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Nope, there's nothing useful there. I'll try to bang it together quickly.
Tell me what you think, I could perhaps be interested in investigating further.
Java auto-updates? Seriously? A programming runtime?
Si j'ai une structure au Royaume-Uni et que j'habite Paris, je paie tout simplement l'IR sur ce que ma société me reverse, c'est bien ça?
Oui, on peut monter une boîte aux UK sans être résident. Je ne cherche pas à magouiller, je veux juste moins de paperasse :)
Ben non — mais si je voulais économiser des impôt justement j'irais au Lux et pas en GB!
Hmmm, it looks like the small bar we went to after the monastery in Prague gave me 1000 HUF in change instead of 1000 CZK! Not the same...
Regarde 2012! Un très beau projet un peu fou à soutenir sur Ulule. Allez-y! ulule.com/regarde2012/
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Yeah, thankfully it's not that huge a sum :)
Je viens de voir que sous "LA DYNAMIQUE D’UNE AVENTURE COLLECTIVE" quelqu'un a pris ma photo de ParisWeb 2010...
Si j'avais su qu'elle allait prendre cette photo j'aurais demandé/objecté; ceci dit je pense que vue la taille c'est du fair use.
Je vais quand même faire passer — tu as un contact pour demander le ©?
Wow, Dartium. In which the Internet watches in horror as Google becomes the new Sun Microsystems.
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Off to Tokyo \o/
Avec @groupeairfrance, laissez-vous surbooker! C'est vraiment une compagnie qui se fout de ses clients.
On part demain, là c'est à base d'hôtel à Roissy-en-France!
Things you forget but really shouldn't #683: In Japan, maps don't always have North at the top.
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Ouais mais les mecs. Marseille quoi. Les Portes-En-Ré ont aussi un plan de travers, là je parle d'une vraie ville.
Right, but this is a square section covering the whole of Shinbashi and pointed due South. It's… surprising :)
I don't disagree in general, but in this case it was pointed due South! Broke my brain :)
Oui, la même carte qui pointait sud pointait nord à l'étage au-dessus dans la station :)
Oui, c'est pour avoir des œuvres. Non, elle sort avant — si possible. Où — c'est en cours!
"Learn how to Write Great Web Applications for Mobile!" w3.org/QA/2012/02/lea…
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Returning to Paris after a while in Tokyo always feels... provincial.
Excellent tip for meetings in which you've drifted away xkcd.com/1022/
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En même temps je me dis que si on doit parler de démocratie à Marseille, les plans de ville seront le moindre des problèmes ;-)
@alexanderdanilo Thanks for the RT! So... I hear that you sold out to the Man? ;-)
Want to learn how to write Web applications for mobile? Early bird discount on my course ends Thursday! j.mp/z5i4xy%0A
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Well I hope those have greener pastures ;)
Digg Data Reveals What We Read But Are Too Scared or Embarrassed To Share techcrunch.com/2012/02/24/be-… (via @JJBesnainou)
MWC: c'mon, show us something interesting about now!
The Core Mobile Web Platform Community Group is up! w3.org/community/core…
I think so… but it may not make that much noise at first :)
Yes, that's pretty sexy. Not the announcement I'm looking for though ;)
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On its own, no, but it's the global approach that changes things: j.mp/yY6Y7d%0A Especially payment.
This is Web Platform. It's just focusing on mobile issues for the time being as a matter of scope. But the benefits are universal.
Thanks for tweeting about it :)
I wouldn't think so — operator can bill pretty much anyone, can't they? :)
But even if that's the case it's still several steps up from the current situation.
I don't see either link you list as broken… Which one is it? 302 isn't an error code!
*des* femmes, bordel, pas "la" femme!
I think @BrendanEich captures what we're aiming for with the CoreMob CG pretty well: j.mp/xLBW3Z%0A
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Indeed, just looked up the same. But it's a huge step in the right direction either way imho :)
Which "we"? This is the same "we" as the open web community :)
Well this is we the web community — it's a community group!
We'll see. If it's not open enough, it will create the need for an open solution I would guess. It's the right pressure. @vgholkar
Open Web Device is pretty exciting stuff: openwebdevice.com
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Always love for B2G!
Oh sure they did, and we're working well together. They're also in the CoreMob CG which is pretty exciting!
Ah, got it! Reported, thanks!
Merci ;)
Well, it does require a tech component, and tech can change its social aspects a lot! @ppk
It was started last August; it's pretty good stuff, too.
Only in tracking it, and insofar as Mozilla does its work in conjunction with W3C.
FB is definitely not stupid — but I think we could've solved this a long time ago, but barked up wrong trees instead. See WAC ;)
A lot of people have been playing the wrong balls, but I think we can now get the right folks on the right page :)
Yes we do indeed! @vgholkar
The workshop in London?
I'm supposed to be there, but if you have a link about it it would help me sort out the logistics ;)
excellent!
Thanks a lot!
Thanks, hopefully all will go well enough that we won't need so much luck ;-)
It's really cool that you've joined the CG :) @tobie
Hopefully in a version that's actually useful :)
I don't know, but even if they open sourced it it wouldn't give us a standard for that stuff — and that's what we need.
Of course, but just open sourcing something doesn't really help unfortunately. That's not the hard part.
You should definitely go, it's as always an amazing place!
Magnifique: "Le sel des larmes de Motoi Yamamoto" projectitude.com/2012/02/stay-s…
Video now available for the Panel discussion on HTML/XML convergence at XMLPrague 2012: j.mp/z2XtJz%0A
If you watch only one video from XML Prague '12, make it @JeniT's: "Collisions, Chimera and Consonance in Web Content" j.mp/zpTGSX%0A
I'm afraid the tape was frozen by -20C. But @annevk found a great source of porn!
Explains why nothing ever goes on there "Why Google+ Doesn’t Care If You Never Come Back" j.mp/xFN5Db%0A
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The charter for the CoreMob group is up: w3.org/community/core…
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Wanted: kick arse SVG expert, position in Sydney, Australia. Ping me if you want to know more.
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As are we! Though @tobie and I put together only really add up to one French guy.
It's only far if you don't live there :)
Vous êtes beaucoup à avoir aimé le projet Regarde2012, n'oubliez pas qu'il a besoin de financements! ulule.com/regarde2012/
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Just read the PHP documentation on array sorting. Must. Stop. Laughing.

