No one would be stupid enough to make a dvd reader with no hardware eject, right? Oh wait, Apple did. #RebootLikeItsWindows95
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February 2013
271 tweets
Replying to @NachoMan
Apparently not on this mbp :-(
Replying to @NachoMan
reboot fixed it! But I hate rebooting!
Replying to @NachoMan
only on my own terms!
Replying to @null and @divya
well, The Pirate Bay isn't so hot with the children's movies :-)
Replying to @null and @xquery
bah, completely wrong! Of course you're going to derive stuff from HTML — and we should make that even simpler!
Replying to @evlist and @fgeorges, @xquery
Besides, why publish in two formats when you have one that's rich enough?
Replying to @evlist and @fgeorges, @xquery
Of course, the problem of XML people not knowing how to use modern markup remains — but there's training for that!
Replying to @evlist and @fgeorges, @xquery
And with that I duck far and low!
Replying to @fgeorges
Replying to @jirkakosek
Replying to @null and @xquery
Check dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponen…. HTML has distributed extensibility in a way that XML is still only dreaming of :)
Replying to @null and @xquery, @jirkakosek, @evlist, @fgeorges
Yeah I'll miss you guys! I'll try to troll you from afar :)
Il y a des gens ici qui vont au #NumNow? Vu le programme j'hésite, mais s'il y a des potes pourquoi pas :) tnova.eu/c6.php?ec=2&l=…
Replying to @null and @xquery
Viruses? I'd… be surprised!
Replying to @meyerweb
I found it difficult to get it to filter the way I wanted, but maybe I should try again. @mailmateapp
Replying to @meyerweb
I was trying to have a box with everything that's not filtered into another box.
Replying to @null and @iandevlin
hahaha, ABANDON ALL HOPE!
Replying to @null and @iandevlin
give up, go with the flow, at the end of the page it really doesn't matter at all :-)
Replying to @xt00ph
well it certainly seemed to be quite powerful.
Replying to @null and @iandevlin
I guess we all need our windmills :-)
Replying to @xt00ph
yeah I found it very long at first, I think it's indexing everything because after that searching is really fast.
Replying to @null and @iandevlin
you seriously think you can get people to stop calling the entire platform "html5"? Yeah that's delusional alright :-)
Replying to @derSchepp and @iandevlin
My experience matches that of @derSchepp, we spent years trying to get people to stop saying AJAX and it was useless :)
Replying to @null and @derekjohnson
Correct, perhaps, but not as quixotesque and so less good. @iandevlin
Replying to @patrick_h_lauke
Actually, if we include AJAX we're more broadly in the realm of metonymy. @derschepp @iandevlin
Replying to @null and @iandevlin
Buzzwords aren't needed, but they necessarily happen. @derschepp
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Replying to @null and @iandevlin
I beg to differ. Things need names. At some point a name will catch on. It may be pedantically wrong. But *shrug*. @derschepp
Replying to @null and @iandevlin
At some point you get back to the prescriptive vs descriptive grammar debate, and that just doesn't end ;) @derschepp
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Replying to @null and @iandevlin
Yes, that's the right moment for one to scream "GET OFF MY LAWN YOU PUNKS!" @derschepp
Replying to @grtjn
Well, they're trying to handle XML — we're talking about HTML. Not the same thing!
Replying to @grtjn
That's because X-tech isn't designed for that. I've been advocating fixing that at the tech level for years.
Replying to @null and @derekjohnson
Don't apologise to @iandevlin, he's just a grouchy old man who wants you off his lawn.
Replying to @DanielKec and @xquery, @grtjn, @jaroslavtulach
Well, the problem is then that you'd have to use Java :)
Replying to @null and @karlpro
It's becoming hard to hit discrepancies without actively looking for them is what I meant.
Replying to @null and @iandevlin
Ooop, am I trampling your flower bed? @derekjohnson
Replying to @null and @iandevlin
I reckon we should legalise guns on the Interwebs, see how that goes. @derekjohnson
Replying to @null and @karlpro
People still use scripting languages outside JS???!!! (Btw, there's html5lib for Python).
Replying to @RobbertAtWork
Replying to @DanielKec and @xquery, @grtjn, @jaroslavtulach
I can't wait to have stub binding factories generated from my XML Schema!
Replying to @LouiseEditor
Alas, no!
Replying to @DALDEI and @xquery, @grtjn
It actually *is* the goal. See SysApps!
Replying to @null and @karlpro
It took a long time to get the XML tools working too, mind you. Had to write quite a few of them myself back then.
Replying to @null and @karlpro
I actually wish I had more bandwidth to implement algos in the spec outside browsers. It's fun.
Replying to @DanielKec and @xquery, @grtjn, @jaroslavtulach
It depends: an alternative to do what?
Replying to @DanielKec and @xquery, @grtjn, @jaroslavtulach
If you s/Perl/JS/ in the last question of lists.xml.org/archives/xml-d…, my answer from 2003 still holds :)
Replying to @DanielKec and @xquery, @grtjn, @jaroslavtulach
But Java hardly did anything useful for client-side stuff. It's all WSDL and SOAP.
Replying to @fgeorges and @grtjn, @xmlprague, @xquery, @evlist
I promise to have my camera ready :)
Replying to @DanielKec and @xquery, @grtjn, @jaroslavtulach
GWT is atrocious. Saxon is great, but hardly client side tech.
Replying to @DanielKec and @xquery, @grtjn, @jaroslavtulach
And I would say that anything that can't easily tie into the rendering stack is hardly client :)
Replying to @grtjn
Replying to @grtjn
But isn't that circular?
Replying to @grtjn
Well, DOM and events are not X* stuff but we were talking about them!
Replying to @wcandillon
Storage is certainly a use case. Where's my node binding? ;)
Replying to @grtjn
That won't happen. It's much simpler and more useful to make X-tech work on HTML properly.
Replying to @grtjn
We don't need GWT. It's a useless piece of kit. jQuery is compatible back to IE6 remember.
Replying to @wcandillon
Woohoo!
Replying to @grtjn
They're making software run in an environment it wasn't created to run in. It's not surprising they have to resort to bad stuff.
Replying to @grtjn
In the higher-level project, yes, in getting Java to run in a browser, there's no way that can be elegant :)
Replying to @grtjn
Note that the problem is Java, not X*. Implementing the same in JS directly could well be great.
Replying to @grtjn
I wouldn't bother with XSLT, but I certainly would do XQ if I had the time. With modifications needed for HTML.
Replying to @grtjn
A lot of money would work just as well ;-)
Replying to @Pierre_Danet
Sorry, just reconnected, and immediately emailed back. @billmccoy
Ah, @lemonde_fr back to 1996: "Ce contenu multimédia n'est pas adapté au format mobile, vous pouvez le consulter sur le site complet." #fail
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Apple could so get a massive boost to its aging OSX were it to replace AppleScript with JS and half-sensible APIs.
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Replying to @hadleybeeman
My deepest commiserations ;) (Says the five-times chair). Have fun!
Replying to @jwajsberg
Well, in France it was between two men; in the US the party is really divided at its base. @johnfoliot
On my way to London to go hack a bit on AppCache.
Replying to @CarolineFel
Tu penses que les électeurs qui les ont envoyés sont à ce point homophobes ? C'est triste comme idée.
Replying to @null and @xquery
rofl! I know! But your not fixing AppCache and you're not finishing tonight...
Replying to @null and @xquery
oh dear me, "you're".
Replying to @jwajsberg
Not with quite the same people in the room :)
Replying to @jwajsberg
Non, on prévoit de rendre cette atrocité utilisable.
Replying to @brucel
Sadly, no, this is last minute and I'll be back to Paris tonight.
Replying to @wcandillon
WHAT!!!! How can I not be following you, I was sure I was following you :(
OH: "The problem with magic is that it's always unreliable." #AppCache
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Replying to @jwajsberg
C'est trop tard, cet attribut est là pour rester. Mais ce sur quoi on bosse n'utilise pas l'attribut pour l'instant.
Replying to @jwajsberg
On essaie d'améliorer ce putain de bordel...
Replying to @edasfr
Pas encore, c'est de la discussion là. @jwajsberg
OH "Yeah but those are legacy people, we don't have to take those into account."
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Replying to @jwajsberg
Ça roule :)
It's not even lunchtime and the #AppCache.NG meeting has already solved responsive images and DRM. What's next?
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Replying to @grtjn
That's privileged information ;)
Replying to @briankardell
Well, just make the chrome be appcached — done!
Replying to @brucel
Apparently the answer to that involves CORS and blobs.
Replying to @jwajsberg
Definitely on the list!
Replying to @yoavweiss and @respimg
I'll make a gist when I find a second.
Replying to @jwajsberg
Screw the manifest :) gist.github.com/darobin/4739167
"So… what if requests for the cache controller went through the controller. Wait. Oooooooh" --@jaffathecake #AppCache
Replying to @yoavweiss and @respimg
We're just hashing out ideas, don't get too excited too fast! It's basically a Worker that replaces AppCache.
Replying to @yoavweiss
Only if you set controllersync. Otherwise it'd kick in for the next load. Details coming later, hard to summarise. @respimg
Replying to @wilto
Not yet, not yet, will holler when there's something to see. @yoavweiss @respimg
Replying to @yoavweiss
It's not a race condition: if async you only get caching on the *next* request (just like appcache).
"There is no magic, this is a Bring Your Own Unicorn API."
Replying to @NachoMan and @dccp
how long are you staying? Irène might be too pregnant to go there, but we live on the same train line so there...
In which @w3cmemes is cited in a serious EU study. For real.
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Replying to @Sniperovitch
hein quoi ?
Replying to @dccp and @xt00ph, @NachoMan
perfect, I should normally be here that week :-)
Replying to @null and @sgalineau
you're now famous with eurocrats!
Replying to @NachoMan and @xt00ph, @dccp
I tend to prefer the North East, but that's not where the touristy stuff is.
Replying to @NachoMan and @xt00ph, @dccp
Maybe close to the canal near République, would be romantic and convenient. Check that the flat isn't noisy though.
Replying to @jonathan_robie
I would suspect anyone who's not an old hand.
Replying to @Turblog and @FradiFrad
Tout dépend de la puissance, ça s'est déjà passé sans que l'on n'y passe tous m.bbc.co.uk/news/science-e…
Replying to @JaroslavTulach
No, the two are orthogonal and are used together.
Replying to @rodneyrehm
well, looking for ways to abuse it is the whole point :-)
Replying to @benadida
iirc GitHub is doing something like that.
Replying to @null and @iandevlin
Wait, I had that too. B2G just opened up while I was on GitHub for no reason. Maybe at the same time?
Replying to @k_narre
C'est comme Dallas, mais avec du sexe.
Hey @mounirlamouri, @SickingJ, and all, any reason why Firefox would just randomly have started B2G a few hours ago? Multiple witnesses!
Replying to @FremyCompany
But of course, @w3c is all about open source :) github.com/darobin/respec/
Replying to @k_narre
Tu as donc encore de belles choses à découvrir petit canard.
Replying to @FremyCompany
As an input to what? To make a suggestion to a WG?
Replying to @null and @nitot
I wonder how many people saw that — it was really weird! @mounirlamouri @sickingj
Replying to @jwajsberg
Yes, it just started up. It was a bit spooky.
Replying to @jwajsberg
Ah yes, it must've been that, thanks! cc @nitot @iandevlin
Replying to @anthony_ricaud and @rik24d
Je ne suis pas sûr de le connaitre mais je n'ai pas pu résister :)
Some personal thoughts on DRM at @w3c lists.w3.org/Archives/Publi…
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Replying to @jreschke
It seems to be a problem with B2G apps update that causes the emulator to launch.
Replying to @null and @sgalineau
I know, there's nothing so enraging as a moderate in the middle of a religious war.
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Replying to @FremyCompany
Well if those specs initially use ReSpec, that would certainly be easy. For those that don't it'll require adaptation.
Replying to @FremyCompany
If they're on GitHub, you can even maintain the fork directly. If not, you should ask that they are!
Replying to @briankardell and @fremycompany
The major problem with ReSpec is that it lacks good docs. I will be fixing that at some point this year...
329 > 229 #gofrance #mariageequality \o/
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Replying to @echotraffic and @netpme
lien cassé ?
Replying to @helloanselm
Yeah, you can point @w3c_systeam to it, they have the power to make the change. @Hixie
Replying to @NachoMan
in what ways is it different from regular gh?
Replying to @helloanselm
and don't hesitate to ping me as well over email, those archives could sure use a spring cleaning.
Replying to @NachoMan
Ok, thanks — it sounds like a great option but nothing I need right now :)
Replying to @NachoMan
Well duh!
"πfs - the data-free filesystem!" Cracked me up. github.com/philipl/pifs (via @bortzmeyer)
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Replying to @fabricedesre
I'd be curious to know how many people were affected. It was spooky :) @brendaneich
@brucel What'll happen to Presto?
Replying to @rodneyrehm
Sorry I forgot to reply to that... It's his name at w3 :-) @tobie
First they came for Opera,
and I didn't speak out because I was testing for WebKit.
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Bon. Quelques personnes ont mangé du cheval sans le savoir. On peut parler d'autre chose maintenant ?
Comme le dit très bien mon ami @brucel, si vous voulez savoir quelle viande vous mangez, allez chez le boucher.
Replying to @ebodyguard
Certes, mais à ce moment là il y a des sujets plus importants à couvrir.
Replying to @lhirlimann
comme beaucoup, beaucoup d'autres sujets :-)
Replying to @patrick_h_lauke
yeah agreed, there's nothing wrong with honest mystery.
Replying to @patrick_h_lauke
I mostly sensed a hint of Gainsbourg in @brucel
Replying to @edasfr
bah non ils ne parlent que de ça dans la radio.
Replying to @null and @notabene, @edasfr
oui ça me donne envie d'acheter du Findus.
Replying to @julien_igel
Certes, mais ça ne vaut pas une bonne petite pluie de météorites!
Replying to @tobie
Or even worse: wikis using Markdown.
Replying to @tobie
WYSIWYG!
Replying to @tobie
Oh, given a choice I prefer HTML. It's either HTML or WYSIWYG. But alternative languages should all die.
Petition to open source Presto: change.org/petitions/oper…
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Replying to @edasfr
Tu vois un bug, il y en avait ~1500!
Replying to @NellyFesseau
si j'avais su plus tôt je serais venu !
Replying to @rom1_pellerin and @rom1_ubidreams
j'ai regardé vite fait mais je n'ai pas vu beaucoup de doc ou d'exemples !
Replying to @rom1_pellerin and @rom1_ubidreams
hehe. J'ai vu le hangman sur GitHub mais j'ai pas trop compris. Il y avait des trucs Java, ça m'a confus !
Replying to @Sniperovitch
je me suis toujours demandé comment ça arrivait.
Replying to @Sniperovitch
ah, tu veux dire que c'est comme du stalking sauf qu'à la fin tu violes sa colloc ?
Replying to @dr_cyno and @cynorrhodon
blacksocks!
My 3yo daughter thinks there should be nail polish made of chocolate. At first I laughed. Now I'm in awe at her business sense.
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Replying to @jeresig
That's still fairly mild, the really interesting ones wouldn't fit in a tweet :-)
Replying to @null and @sgalineau
I'm guessing you're not saying where you're going yet?
Replying to @null and @divya, @sgalineau, @tabatkins
Hey it's not in my email!
Replying to @edasfr and @nhoizey
oh et puis vous êtes chiants à devenir si sérieux, j'ai juste fait une blague à la con :-)
Replying to @edasfr
eh mais y a pléonasme sur la fin de ta phrase :-) #provocBack @nhoizey
Replying to @bortzmeyer and @chtitux
ÉNORME! OMG paie tes amateurs...
An interesting piece of HTML history about XHTML and the infamous Appendix C from @hsivonen lists.w3.org/Archives/Publi…
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Replying to @wcandillon
Hmmm, I would expect everything to be async in Node! Unless there's a good reason not to.
Replying to @wcandillon
Something that might hit the network and perform data-intensive work would *certainly* be async :)
Replying to @wcandillon
It's hard to tell — how much does an iteration cost?
Replying to @wcandillon
Well the expectation in Node is that nothing like that would be synchronous. This isn't PHP :)
Replying to @wcandillon
In PHP you'd go while (give me a row) print some HTML for this row. (Or variants on this).
Replying to @wcandillon
In Node you'd expect a callback or event to call you whenever there's data available.
Replying to @wcandillon
In some cases you can't be async and you aren't async. But for data retrieval usually one is (if possible).
Replying to @wcandillon
Consider that the typical Node set up is that you have one process handling all the requests. If you block on sth, it's not good
Replying to @wcandillon
But people can work around that. Eg have a node-zorba service that reads from Zorba and gives async results to the server.
Replying to @wcandillon
I, err, I'm not sure what you're summarising here :) Maybe email would be simpler?
Brain Activity Map (BAM!) project to receive $3bn to do for brains what the Human Genome did for genetics. the-scientist.com/?articles.view… #RockNRoll
Replying to @jorabin
how much more would you give, on average? :-)
Replying to @ZeFishAndSheep
déchu! Ou c'est trop tard ?
Replying to @rauschma
There is no shortage of good EU speakers, just look at the casts at @ParisWeb, @takeoffconf, and many other conferences.
Replying to @rubin
Tu lis de ces choses aussi, toi.
Coming soon to HTML: Ruby Markup Extensions darobin.github.com/html-ruby/
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Replying to @ShaneHudson
yes, it's a common source of confusion :-)
Replying to @null and @marcosc
lots of little characters on top of other characters!
Replying to @taki_igel
yeah, that's a bit less likely :-)
Replying to @null and @karlpro
not done yet but a step forward! Feedback welcome :-)
Replying to @null and @karlpro
the data model (as permitting styling and semantics) and its processing algorithm. Yeah, ruby looks great for footnotes :-)
Replying to @null and @karlpro
in fact I was talking with Murata-san about extending ruby to general annotations.
You can play with an implementation of the HTML extended ruby model at berjon.com/tmp/inception/….
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I'm looking for literature on what increased division of labour most correlates with. Any thoughts? Even vague leads are welcome.
Replying to @null and @karlpro
yeah, bah, we're not about to start requiring Web technology to have sensible names!
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Replying to @xt00ph
hai!
Testing the Open Web Platform w3.org/QA/2013/02/tes… from @tobie
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Replying to @quatremer
Clay Shirky: "It's a new golden age for journalism; except for the money." :) @pierrehaski @thieulin
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Replying to @bluesmoon
Lovely update. Would you mind filing a bug? w3.org/Bugs/Public/en… (under "HTML5 spec")
Replying to @bluesmoon
Assign it to robin@w3.org. Thanks!
Replying to @bluesmoon
Thanks a lot!
Replying to @timrdf
the bat signal! Send me an email with the problem, I'll be at the office in a couple hours.
Is there a JS template engine that is:
1) Useful (i.e. none of this logic-less madness)
2) Robust
3) Decently documented
?
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Replying to @tchak13
Sorry, but the technical term here is "bollocks". HB is poorly documented; template-toolkit.org has great docs + highly robust.
Replying to @tchak13
Well, at least you don't have to munge your data just to get your template engine to understand it. Oh, it's also very fast.
Replying to @tchak13
My templates should have the ability to support basic view logic yes. At the very least decent if conditions ffs.
If you like beautifully designed furniture, the best in French design is now available online: leselementaires.com #design #MadeInFrance
Replying to @garannm
Overall solid, but particularly doesn't blow up when a value is null/undefined (the way Jade often will).
Replying to @jaubourg
Yeah, I've used that quite a lot but the syntax does get a bit tedious I find :)
Replying to @garannm
Looks like a very promising candidate — thanks a lot!
Replying to @jaubourg
Poor you. Aaaaaah, yes, I got them, shame on me!!! [jumps out the window] *cough* Can we IRC about this on Monday?
Replying to @null and @sideshowbarker
templates rock man!
Replying to @timrdf
withdrawal? You miss your group that much? There are plenty of pretty groups in the sea!
Replying to @danbri
obviously, but how do you count roles? Is there a good metric? More importantly, I'm looking for correlates in other variables.
Replying to @danbri
I was hoping that economy doctor @libbymiller might know :-)
Replying to @danbri and @libbymiller
not at all, I really want division of labour! I guess I'll have to read Durkheim.
Replying to @danbri
pretty cool! I had no idea the old man was around here :-)
Replying to @libbymiller and @danbri
when your brain cells grow back, do tell me about this I'd love to know :-)
Replying to @cconcolato and @w3c
I confirm problems, checking with the systeam.
"Extensible JavaScript Transformations", an interesting idea github.com/veged/xjst
Replying to @cconcolato
Fixed, thanks!
It would appear that LG is acquiring webOS: techcrunch.com/2013/02/25/lg-… #AGoodOSToDieHard
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Surprised to see so many factual errors in this @alistapart post on Device APIs: alistapart.com/article/enviro…
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OH: "C'est la méthode à Gilles." #bazinga
Replying to @alistapart
Here goes! alistapart.com/comments/envir… cc @wilto
Replying to @EricScherer
Il n'y a pas des masses d'opérateurs français qui font un peu de recherche…
W3C is looking for a new webmaster: w3.org/2013/02/Webmas…
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Replying to @helloanselm
Yes, there's enough interaction with the systeam that it has to be on site. It's open to EU citizens though.
Replying to @jirkakosek
No, for dark reasons, being the webmaster *actually* requires knowledge of RDF.
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Replying to @briankardell
Bah, I was sure I followed you!
Replying to @briankardell
I don't know, it's not the first time it does this. I always wonder if there's a bug or if I'm insane :-)
Replying to @briankardell
yes yes, it seemed pretty sensible :-) I'll get back to you tomorrow.
"Use Cases and Requirements for Standardizing Responsive Images" from @respimg published by the HTML WG w3.org/TR/respimg-use… #RWD
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Replying to @null and @nhoizey
M'est avis qu'ils ont des problèmes temporels; le site d'enregistrement pour le pass Navigo requiert Java.
Replying to @null and @iandevlin, @paul_irish
At any given time there are differences between the two specs, but they tend to be quickly absorbed.
Replying to @null and @iandevlin
Oh, you're looking specifically at ping, sorry — I thought you were talking discrepancy in general. @paul_irish
Replying to @timoreilly
Soon? Isn't there evidence that this has already happened? @turian
Replying to @MarkusLanthaler
I'm not at my laptop now, but do they get a generated id in the output?
Replying to @MarkusLanthaler
can you send me an email? That way I can fix that in the morning.
Mornings on which I fumble for two minutes with my alarm clock before noticing that it’s my wife's that's ringing. #mornings
Replying to @MarkusLanthaler
Try again with the 3.1.45 build that just shipped.
Replying to @MarkusLanthaler
Ah, I hadn't noticed the push failed (dropped connection). All good now!
Replying to @MarkusLanthaler
No worries, that's what users are for :) I'm fine with the changes, but I can't get to them this second.
Replying to @MarkusLanthaler
If you have time for a pull request I'll review and take it. Otherwise, I'll do it but later.
Replying to @tobie
Compared to which WYSIWYG option?
Replying to @tobie
I'm serious though :) Compared to TinyMCE for instance even entering the articles in COBOL might seem great.
Some days I really wish we had a StandardsLeaks website. (No, this is not about W3C.)
Replying to @MarkusLanthaler
Thanks! I'll look as soon as I get a sec.
Replying to @glazou
Yeah, but it wouldn't be anywhere near as hilarious as the stuff that goes on in other SDOs, trust me.
Replying to @simonstl
If evaluating is harder than inventing, then all you need to do is invent an evaluation method.
Replying to @null and @vlentz
c'est pas vrai, par exemple tu peux répandre la bonne parole: lesautruches.fr et @lesautruches!
Replying to @LeaVerou
do you reckon we should maybe add some native sprintf of sorts for that?
Replying to @LeaVerou
I wasn't thinking just for dates. Isn't the JS I18N stuff taking care of that soonish?