November 2014
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file a bug.
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Hmmm. I presume your mother is not conversant with the post-@brucel meaning of LMAO. @sgalineau @stevefaulkner
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OH: "Publishing the Service Workers specification was sort of like converting Word to HTML, only more interesting."
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OH: "In fact, publishing Service Workers was so interesting I had to resort to XSLT and Emacs to get it to work."
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I don’t think we’re talking about first resort here :)
XSLT can be useful, but the part about Emacs shows it really was a joke.
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Yes, but as we say in French, if my aunt had a pair we'd call her uncle.
ITU: standards organisation one joins for the sole purpose of preventing it from doing anything it is planning to do.
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Thanks! Please file a bug :-)
Would love to see your list!
It's a lot of work, and the result invariably sucks :-) Go @fantasai!
RemoteIE looks great, but creating an account on Live is bloody painful.
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Oh don’t get me wrong TOTALLY worth the pain :) I am just surprised anyone still does forms this way!
After a couple more usability fights, running the official DOM test suite in there. Super cool!
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Oui, oui, juste le temps de retrouver le plein usage de mon cerveau!
Session de Lightning Talks le 23/01 à Paris pour l’inauguration du nouveau coworking Le Tank spintank.fr/le-tank/. Envoyez-moi vos sujets!
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Oh! Je veux voir!
Lightning Tank — une session de lightning talks sur Paris le 23/01. Détails: berjon.com/lightning-tank/
Ou presque. @versac @letankparis
Mobile browsers: I have 70Gb free space. Please brutally cache all my tabs instead of always reloading them. That's real-world performance.
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Modeling Social Dynamics in a Collaborative Environment arxiv.org/abs/1403.3568 I wonder if we could do the same with standards.
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This. "@tobie: @robinberjon nah, real world perf is micro-optimizing JS for loops. Where have you been?"
Hehehe :) It depends on the make-up of the community. Mostly I was wondering if mailing lists could be analysed similarly.
We have specs, we have drafts. It’s not as easy but I think you can find correlates.
Yup, that's already on the todo list :-) @sideshowbarker @renoirb
If you want history, use the w3c/html repo — but that’s over the source. @karlpro
No, w3c/html has both history and source; the one I just released is the built version. E.g. for translators. @karlpro
Sue me :) @karlpro
but I don't want to have to pin my 140 tabs...
Has anyone tried giving variable-naming lessons to mathematicians? Seriously, cursive *and* gothic superscripts? Why not I Ching tetragrams?
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Everything *except* two-character variable names :-)
Sometimes that's true, but there are also plenty of cases where variable reuse is maddening. Turing a famous offender here :-)
Seriously, the only difference in coding style between some maths text and 13yo PHP script kiddies is that mathematicians have Unicode.
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Surprised?
Oh comme d'habitude, je cherche l'origine de tout :-)
Her. Serenity (bordel). Back to the Future. Guardians of the Galaxy et un tas de Marvels.
Those weren't supposed to leak before we had the transcript :-)
That doesn't answer @tobie's question of what he's supposed to use it for. The same question does not apply to HTML, CSS, JS, etc.
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There was a bit of a delay, but we'll do this professionally. On it next week unless beaten to it. @LeonieWatson @w3c
Now now, no need to troll. @mgaerber
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Not a big deal but they should be unhidden now :-) @ibjacobs @LeonieWatson @w3c
As you prefer, but I'm away till Wednesday. @stevefaulkner suggested crowdsourcing. @koalie @LeonieWatson
Of course, but I'm on vacation so might be long in replying.
They're being captioned, they ought to be back online on the 12th!
Oh, and there were no slides :-) You can find the simulation in the sample models that come with NetLogo.
In source HTML, but I convert it to a span with pre-added quotes.
Sorry, back now. There is a difference between processing and validity. The position defines what is valid. But it is necessary…
…to define what happens to content whether it it valid or not.
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L’original était plus poétique, ceci dit.
The silence on the live feed is killing me.
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Il n’y a juste plus de son. Attendre…
I have, working now — but it was scary there for a minute :)
It’s okay, it came back — thanks :)
A priori oui, mais la première location peut être compliquée.
Parce que tant qu’il n’y a pas eu de note positive pour l’appart ça prend plus de temps pour qu’il soit loué.
«We are sitting on the surface.»
It’s sort of appropriate.
Remembering the @w3c FakeTAG: «A 101 on the Range of the HTTP Dereference Function» berjon.com/http-range-14/
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«Design like we give a damn!» by @LeonieWatson. Four minutes of awesome you ought to watch. vimeo.com/110965713
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«Lightning Talk like you give a damn» ;) @LeonieWatson
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«Web Ants», my 4min lightning talk asking why the Web has such monopolies at @w3c #TPAC vimeo.com/album/3108947/…
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Great article, thanks! But maybe our own brain setup is more alien than we usually acknowledge: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enteric_n… :)
Continuous is certainly interesting, but it comes with its own issues. Does anyone have a plan to handle those? @authorea
Hahaha, well played Erika!
Versioning, so you're doing snapshots? Web standards have been looking for the best option for a while now. @jeroenbosman
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How do you handle the case of people who need to track updates? Just with diffs? @jeroenbosman
The problems aren’t with traceability, that’s trivial with git. It’s with people who need to stay on top of changes. @authorea
E.g. someone developing code to match a paper, who will check irregularly. On small docs it’s fine. @authorea
But on large docs we’ve seen problems; people get lost. We saw that during the writing of w3.org/TR/html5/singl… @authorea
My point is not against continuity; it’s simply that it doesn’t «Just Work». You need a body of practice to match. @authorea
Sadly I probably won’t be able to attend. Happy to chat more in email if you want. We’ve been struggling with this a while :)
I wonder if it would be useful to have input from the Web standards world.
We started from academic publishing and modified it a lot. We’re still changing it in fact.
Sure, but I was more thinking in terms of document production. We have very similar problems.
Oh man, you mentioned the keyword that woke the @danbri up!
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The Food Fighters is such a better band name :) @jeroenbosman @BreLozano
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Ouhla je ne sais pas, je suis nuuuul en traduction. C’est difficile à suivre en anglais?
It depends for what. For a small article, sure, for anything longer you need to filter by section. @jeroenbosman
dis-moi si ça pose problème!
It’s good thing you started this whole HYDRA theme, it’s bound to keep on giving.
Is there a good, relatively modern option to do graph layout, preferably in a Web format?
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Does anyone else get this issue where Firefox uses 100% CPU for a few minutes whenever your MBP comes back from sleep?
It looks very nice, but it’s not usable as a simple library is it? @fournier_r
I thought of D3 but it often seems overkill. I’ll look into @sigmajs, thanks!
Release yeah, a few addons, mostly dictionaries and stuff to make tabs work.
If I can get network, it's not working great at #dotJS.
That way of putting it would, err, surely get me online quickly...
oh! Je suis au premier étage dans un petit box vers la gauche en regardant la scène, chemise à carreaux! Toi?
Happy to see the JS community at #dotJS rediscovering TIMTOWTDI. I told you JS was the Perl 6 that actually shipped.
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Yes, I live here! Though I'll have to leave soon after the last session ends sadly.
No, it should work, assuming you don't have an error.
Sweet! I'll try to catch you when you step off stage!
It does, I see it in the logs. Need to surface that better. Sending to you if the Internets work.
If something doesn't publish, run Bikeshed, it'll usually be the problem. I'll surface that.
locally!
Didn't you install python the other day?
Have you cloned bikeshed parallel to your repo? python ../bikeshed/bikeshed.py spec index.bs index.html in your spec dir.
Don't worry, I'm writing complete docs that are hopefully even simpler than this chat. @stevefaulkner is my guinea piglet :-)
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#dotJS is a really good conference, sorry I have to leave early and miss the party!
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Alas, I ended up having to leave even earlier than that. Conferences in one’s hometown suck, life interferes. You around long?
Sadly yes :(
Concerned standardistas need to know. @sgalineau
Wait, they serve coffee there? @elainefinnell
Asking for a friend, really. @elainefinnell
@JeremiePat Tu es sur IRC toi, non? C'est quoi ton p'tit nom?
Ah, non, si tu n’y es pas souvent c’est pas grave. C’était pour t’inviter dans #webspecs :)
Ah mais c’est sur Freenode là :)
C’est rien d’urgent, c’est juste au cas où tu trainais là :)
Interesting notes on using Haxe to implement a JS video decoder: infognition.com/blog/2014/comp….
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You're not truly acquainted with French cuisine until you've had pasta with ketchup and just a hint of grated fromage.
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It’s one of the best front-end conferences there are! @ParisWeb is worth learning French for.
Writing it as we speak!
We should sing some Aznavour next year. @briankardell @ParisWeb
Isn’t that what most conferences are organised for? @briankardell
Clearly you have not heard the heartfelt tremolo on my interpretation of La Bohème. Charles himself wept. @briankardell @ParisWeb
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Oh, is that why? I thought it was because his ear hurt… @briankardell @ParisWeb
Checkmate: fbcdn-video-a-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xfp1… (sadly, FLV video) @ParisWeb @brucel @briankardell
It’s okay, I’ve asked before.
Please don’t spread those docs too much yet, they’re not finished enough :) @dstorey
The contribution policy is the same, the patent policy only kicks in if they get published at W3C. @stevefaulkner
No need to go that far :) But it’s too early to draw people in. @dstorey
It’s not official, we’re experimenting. It’s basically for whatever works that makes the Web better. @stevefaulkner
If you have specific ideas as to how you think it could be most useful, we’re definitely interested. @stevefaulkner
@brucel I, wait, what?
Je me suis souvent dit que ça serait encore plus satisfaisant si le bouton était encore plus gros.
Unix people: is it possible to add a new group to a user’s groupset without logging in again or using newgrp? (Sessionless environment)
Ouais mais à un certain niveau de consommation faut aussi se trimballer un sac à linge sale pour les usagés... @tetue
J’attends le jour où l’INPES nous fera des campagnes comme celle-ci. dailymotion.com/video/x2ajpeb_… #couille
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Hahahaha
La tranche théorique c'est 3-7... Je ne sais pas, quitte à redessiner Petit Ours Brun ils auraient pu lui faire faire autre chose!
Non, mais après ça tu es fin prêt pour lire la presse de grands :)
Parfois j'ai besoin de choses simples tu sais :-) @edasfr
It's not fully disruptive until you're distracted enough to try to lick one.
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À @ville_montreuil, grève des parents! “@EluardMontreuil: L'établissement bloqué par les parents. #touchepasamazep ”
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Les dégats d’une (fausse) réputation de gentrification “@SeBattrelefilm NON à la suppression du REP @EluardMontreuil ”
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«La gentrification en Seine-Saint-Denis: mythe ou réalité?» slate.fr/tribune/77774/… cc @EluardMontreuil @touchepasamazep
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Ça ne fait pas statistique :)
C’est… une façon de voir les choses oui.
Hahahaha :)
Bah un nanard avec des dinosaures C'EST DE LA BALLE!
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Ouais, pour des animaux absurdes, certes, mais pour des dinosaures il faut du lourd!
Le problème principal, c’est qu’ils n’auront pas de plumes.
Oui, bon, c’est pas pareil, Godzilla c’est juste incompatible avec un budget.
Oui, bon, ça ça pue.
Ça manque de requins.
Quelques idées: bouletcorp.com
With the sexy @glazou! “@cyberbaloo_: Keep calm and @robinberjon flickr.com/photos/pariswe… j'adore. #parisweb”
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We were going for that, but as interpreted by Hieronymus Bosch. @glazou @cyberbaloo_
I thought my «cologne» conveyed that facial hard notwithstanding. @glazou @cyberbaloo_
Achievement unlocked! “@brucel: @robinberjon I'm closing twitter for a few days now ... @glazou @cyberbaloo_”
I’m not sure that was safe for outside of work either. @brucel @cyberbaloo_
«How Nature Works» by Per Bak. Simple, readable, and in my opinion an essential part of one’s basic intellectual toolkit.
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That’s also why my consulting rates are a fair bit higher than I’d otherwise need them to be. @briankardell
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Not quite. Heathcare is essentially flat fee if you pay it yourself, that's not the case in a redistributive system @briankardell
I'm all for redistributing, but it needs to be handled well... @briankardell
Yes, this is small but cool :) Thanks!
Don't hesitate to file issues or PRs on GitHub. There's more coming, let us know what you need! @w3c
Yes. Everyone framework is doing structured submissions differently. This sort of stuff should be basic.
Having PUT would be nice, but it’s orthogonal. It’s also harder to design (but could happen if there were a push for it).
Ideally it can eventually also work with a repeat model where you fill out a form with JSON data.
I completely agree, the problem is figuring out how PUT works in terms of UI.
Some forms have repeatable content (boring eg: items in a cart). The form would have them once, the JSON would cause a repeat.
It’s an old problem that’s been attempted and abandoned a couple times already. But useful!
Thanks! Glad you liked it :) And there’s broader discussion at discourse.specifiction.org if you’re interested!
Well, say a form does a PUT. The server responds 201 Created with no payload. What’s the default browser behaviour?
It’s part of a broader project to involve developers a *lot* more in Web standards.
A beautiful reinvention of the Voynich Manuscript for #NaNoGenMo blog.safaribooksonline.com/2014/11/08/nan…
There’s cameronjones.github.io/form-http-exte… but it has little traction and I think it is probably doing too much at once.
Moving forward on this type of problem probably requires focussing on as small a part as possible.
There have also been discussions in the HTML WG in the past, but not fruitful.
I certainly encourage you to outline your ideas on @specifiction, and we’ll see how things can move forward from there!
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Qu’est-ce que tu vas faire là? Si tu veux passer prendre un café, n’hésite pas :)
À #leweb? Non, mais Paris n’est pas si grand.
Un plaisir, on va s'attacher à continuer. @w3c
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Haha, le sounding board c’est pas une blague, c’est une vraie expression :)
Cf la définition 4 ici dictionary.reference.com/browse/soundin…
Non non, c’est juste dans les exemples, pour le reste il faut quand même que ça soit un minimum sérieux.
Les specs ont besoin de formalisme, c’est vrai, mais sont inutilement rébarbatives.
Je suis sur un projet pour à impliquer les dévs beaucoup plus directement dans les standards, les rendre lisible c’est un plus.
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Merci!
It's a fair bit easier (and possibly saner) than sortable tables I would think. But in fairness there are no bugs. @briankardell
As far as I know it's implementable as is, browser feedback sure wouldn't hurt. @domenic
I agree that's needed too. @briankardell @domenic
Dans les deux cas c’est beaucoup trop long…
git-extras — you want this. github.com/tj/git-extras
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Last I checked nothing good in one place. @marcosc
Plein de bonnes choses dans @mouvementY (mouvy.fr), c’est vraiment dommage de conclure sur des peines plancher — totalement réactionnaire.
It really is hard to tell, but in this case I’m pretty sure it’s parodic. Read its timeline. @jaffathecake @brucel
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Being under the webspecs org is not required, in fact forks wouldn't work otherwise! Any repo listed in the-index is good!
At this point CC0 is the only option but I'm not very religious about it. Its only value is GPL compat...
@dirkschulze... but GPL can die in pain for all I care. CC0 also has maximal compatibility with any SDO you want to ship to.
Wow, the online check-in experience with @AirIndiain is just absolutely appalling…
Not yet. Why? Is it supposed to be scary? :)
Well, their twitter account certainly has a sense of humour.
It would be a lot easier to make this a community project if it were implemented using jsdom :-) @joshpeek
I don't think it's sucking up all the oxygen, people have built alternatives with different problems. @yoavweiss @joshpeek
Eventually, yes :-) @joshpeek
In that case I am bound to ask why you're using Phantom :-) @wycats
You make it sound like you haven't tried Zombie in earnest. @wycats
Happy birthday @mnot :)
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Ha, maybe @koalie should prepare a bunch of these for the coming AC? happymagpie.com/diagrams/dstro…
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