November 2014

214 tweets

Replying to @briankardell

file a bug.

Replying to @briankardell

Hmmm. I presume your mother is not conversant with the post-@brucel meaning of LMAO. @sgalineau @stevefaulkner
OH: "Publishing the Service Workers specification was sort of like converting Word to HTML, only more interesting."
OH: "In fact, publishing Service Workers was so interesting I had to resort to XSLT and Emacs to get it to work."
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Replying to @aljopainter

I don’t think we’re talking about first resort here :)

Replying to @aljopainter

XSLT can be useful, but the part about Emacs shows it really was a joke.
Goodbye @w3c #TPAC! See you next year! #sharethelove
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Replying to @Meekostuff

Yes, but as we say in French, if my aunt had a pair we'd call her uncle.
ITU: standards organisation one joins for the sole purpose of preventing it from doing anything it is planning to do.

Replying to @azaroth42

Thanks! Please file a bug :-)

Replying to @codepo8

Would love to see your list!

Replying to @null and @koalie

It's a lot of work, and the result invariably sucks :-) Go @fantasai!
RemoteIE looks great, but creating an account on Live is bloody painful.

Replying to @davrous

Oh don’t get me wrong TOTALLY worth the pain :) I am just surprised anyone still does forms this way!

Replying to @davrous

After a couple more usability fights, running the official DOM test suite in there. Super cool!

Replying to @null and @karlpro

Oui, oui, juste le temps de retrouver le plein usage de mon cerveau!
Session de Lightning Talks le 23/01 à Paris pour l’inauguration du nouveau coworking Le Tank spintank.fr/le-tank/. Envoyez-moi vos sujets!
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Replying to @coulissespw

Oh! Je veux voir!
Lightning Tank — une session de lightning talks sur Paris le 23/01. Détails: berjon.com/lightning-tank/

Replying to @null and @nrosenberg

Ou presque. @versac @letankparis
Mobile browsers: I have 70Gb free space. Please brutally cache all my tabs instead of always reloading them. That's real-world performance.
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Modeling Social Dynamics in a Collaborative Environment arxiv.org/abs/1403.3568 I wonder if we could do the same with standards.
This. "@tobie: @robinberjon nah, real world perf is micro-optimizing JS for loops. Where have you been?"

Replying to @null and @m_strehl

Hehehe :) It depends on the make-up of the community. Mostly I was wondering if mailing lists could be analysed similarly.

Replying to @null and @m_strehl

We have specs, we have drafts. It’s not as easy but I think you can find correlates.

Replying to @stevefaulkner

Yup, that's already on the todo list :-) @sideshowbarker @renoirb

Replying to @danbri

If you want history, use the w3c/html repo — but that’s over the source. @karlpro

Replying to @danbri

No, w3c/html has both history and source; the one I just released is the built version. E.g. for translators. @karlpro

Replying to @rigow

Sue me :) @karlpro

Replying to @simevidas

but I don't want to have to pin my 140 tabs...
Has anyone tried giving variable-naming lessons to mathematicians? Seriously, cursive *and* gothic superscripts? Why not I Ching tetragrams?
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Replying to @null and @ivan_herman

Everything *except* two-character variable names :-)

Replying to @null and @ivan_herman

Sometimes that's true, but there are also plenty of cases where variable reuse is maddening. Turing a famous offender here :-)
Seriously, the only difference in coding style between some maths text and 13yo PHP script kiddies is that mathematicians have Unicode.
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Replying to @tobie

Surprised?

Replying to @null and @karlpro

Oh comme d'habitude, je cherche l'origine de tout :-)

Replying to @null and @Bouletcorp

Her. Serenity (bordel). Back to the Future. Guardians of the Galaxy et un tas de Marvels.

Replying to @LeonieWatson and @w3c

Those weren't supposed to leak before we had the transcript :-)

Replying to @mgaerber

That doesn't answer @tobie's question of what he's supposed to use it for. The same question does not apply to HTML, CSS, JS, etc.

Replying to @stevefaulkner

There was a bit of a delay, but we'll do this professionally. On it next week unless beaten to it. @LeonieWatson @w3c

Replying to @tobie

Now now, no need to troll. @mgaerber

Replying to @null and @koalie

Not a big deal but they should be unhidden now :-) @ibjacobs @LeonieWatson @w3c

Replying to @null and @ibjacobs

As you prefer, but I'm away till Wednesday. @stevefaulkner suggested crowdsourcing. @koalie @LeonieWatson

Replying to @null and @ibjacobs

Otherwise, @johnfoliot had a plan that seemed good to me. @koalie @LeonieWatson

Replying to @chemerisuk

Of course, but I'm on vacation so might be long in replying.

Replying to @TzviyaSiegman

They're being captioned, they ought to be back online on the 12th!

Replying to @TzviyaSiegman

Oh, and there were no slides :-) You can find the simulation in the sample models that come with NetLogo.

Replying to @null and @dauwhe

In source HTML, but I convert it to a span with pre-added quotes.

Replying to @chemerisuk

Sorry, back now. There is a difference between processing and validity. The position defines what is valid. But it is necessary…

Replying to @chemerisuk

…to define what happens to content whether it it valid or not.
The lightning talks from @w3c #TPAC2014 are progessively showing up online: vimeo.com/album/3108947
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Replying to @goulvench

L’original était plus poétique, ceci dit.
The silence on the live feed is killing me.

Replying to @Surmulot

Il n’y a juste plus de son. Attendre…
Noooooooooooooooooooo, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
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Replying to @G_a_l_i_l_e_o

I have, working now — but it was scary there for a minute :)

Replying to @dimitribosch

It’s okay, it came back — thanks :)

Replying to @leonor_de_b

A priori oui, mais la première location peut être compliquée.

Replying to @leonor_de_b

Parce que tant qu’il n’y a pas eu de note positive pour l’appart ça prend plus de temps pour qu’il soit loué.
«We are sitting on the surface.»

Replying to @null and @notabene

It’s sort of appropriate.
Remembering the @w3c FakeTAG: «A 101 on the Range of the HTTP Dereference Function» berjon.com/http-range-14/
«Design like we give a damn!» by @LeonieWatson. Four minutes of awesome you ought to watch. vimeo.com/110965713
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Replying to @cyberbaloo_

«Lightning Talk like you give a damn» ;) @LeonieWatson
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«Web Ants», my 4min lightning talk asking why the Web has such monopolies at @w3c #TPAC vimeo.com/album/3108947/…
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Replying to @erikanavara

Great article, thanks! But maybe our own brain setup is more alien than we usually acknowledge: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enteric_n… :)

Replying to @jeroenbosman

Continuous is certainly interesting, but it comes with its own issues. Does anyone have a plan to handle those? @authorea

Replying to @erikanavara

Hahaha, well played Erika!

Replying to @authorea

Versioning, so you're doing snapshots? Web standards have been looking for the best option for a while now. @jeroenbosman

Replying to @authorea

How do you handle the case of people who need to track updates? Just with diffs? @jeroenbosman

Replying to @jeroenbosman

The problems aren’t with traceability, that’s trivial with git. It’s with people who need to stay on top of changes. @authorea

Replying to @jeroenbosman

E.g. someone developing code to match a paper, who will check irregularly. On small docs it’s fine. @authorea

Replying to @jeroenbosman

But on large docs we’ve seen problems; people get lost. We saw that during the writing of w3.org/TR/html5/singl… @authorea

Replying to @jeroenbosman

My point is not against continuity; it’s simply that it doesn’t «Just Work». You need a body of practice to match. @authorea

Replying to @jeroenbosman

Sadly I probably won’t be able to attend. Happy to chat more in email if you want. We’ve been struggling with this a while :)

Replying to @jeroenbosman

I wonder if it would be useful to have input from the Web standards world.

Replying to @jeroenbosman

We started from academic publishing and modified it a lot. We’re still changing it in fact.

Replying to @jeroenbosman

Sure, but I was more thinking in terms of document production. We have very similar problems.

Replying to @danbri and @jeroenbosman

Oh man, you mentioned the keyword that woke the @danbri up!

Replying to @danbri

The Food Fighters is such a better band name :) @jeroenbosman @BreLozano

Replying to @cyberbaloo_

Ouhla je ne sais pas, je suis nuuuul en traduction. C’est difficile à suivre en anglais?

Replying to @authorea

It depends for what. For a small article, sure, for anything longer you need to filter by section. @jeroenbosman

Replying to @cyberbaloo_

dis-moi si ça pose problème!

Replying to @null and @marcosc

It’s good thing you started this whole HYDRA theme, it’s bound to keep on giving.
Is there a good, relatively modern option to do graph layout, preferably in a Web format?
Does anyone else get this issue where Firefox uses 100% CPU for a few minutes whenever your MBP comes back from sleep?

Replying to @Linkurious

It looks very nice, but it’s not usable as a simple library is it? @fournier_r

Replying to @Toutenrab

I thought of D3 but it often seems overkill. I’ll look into @sigmajs, thanks!

Replying to @AutomatedTester

Release yeah, a few addons, mostly dictionaries and stuff to make tabs work.
Je serais assez favorable à l'idée de coller ce poster de @Bouletcorp un peu partout.
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At #dotJS, @domenic announces that jsdom plans to become a major contributor to Web Platform Tests. Yay!
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Replying to @stevefaulkner

If I can get network, it's not working great at #dotJS.

Replying to @stevefaulkner

That way of putting it would, err, surely get me online quickly...

Replying to @cjolif

oh! Je suis au premier étage dans un petit box vers la gauche en regardant la scène, chemise à carreaux! Toi?
Happy to see the JS community at #dotJS rediscovering TIMTOWTDI. I told you JS was the Perl 6 that actually shipped.
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Replying to @wycats

Yes, I live here! Though I'll have to leave soon after the last session ends sadly.

Replying to @stevefaulkner

No, it should work, assuming you don't have an error.

Replying to @wycats

Sweet! I'll try to catch you when you step off stage!

Replying to @stevefaulkner

It does, I see it in the logs. Need to surface that better. Sending to you if the Internets work.

Replying to @stevefaulkner

If something doesn't publish, run Bikeshed, it'll usually be the problem. I'll surface that.

Replying to @stevefaulkner

locally!

Replying to @stevefaulkner

Didn't you install python the other day?

Replying to @stevefaulkner

Have you cloned bikeshed parallel to your repo? python ../bikeshed/bikeshed.py spec index.bs index.html in your spec dir.

Replying to @TzviyaSiegman

Don't worry, I'm writing complete docs that are hopefully even simpler than this chat. @stevefaulkner is my guinea piglet :-)
#dotJS is a really good conference, sorry I have to leave early and miss the party!

Replying to @wycats

Alas, I ended up having to leave even earlier than that. Conferences in one’s hometown suck, life interferes. You around long?

Replying to @wycats

Sadly yes :(

Replying to @elainecchao and @elainefinnell

Concerned standardistas need to know. @sgalineau

Replying to @null and @sgalineau

Wait, they serve coffee there? @elainefinnell

Replying to @null and @sgalineau

Asking for a friend, really. @elainefinnell
@JeremiePat Tu es sur IRC toi, non? C'est quoi ton p'tit nom?

Replying to @JeremiePat

Ah, non, si tu n’y es pas souvent c’est pas grave. C’était pour t’inviter dans #webspecs :)

Replying to @JeremiePat

Ah mais c’est sur Freenode là :)

Replying to @JeremiePat

C’est rien d’urgent, c’est juste au cas où tu trainais là :)
Interesting notes on using Haxe to implement a JS video decoder: infognition.com/blog/2014/comp….
You're not truly acquainted with French cuisine until you've had pasta with ketchup and just a hint of grated fromage.
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Replying to @briankardell

It’s one of the best front-end conferences there are! @ParisWeb is worth learning French for.

Replying to @null and @_paulverbeek

Writing it as we speak!

Replying to @brucel

We should sing some Aznavour next year. @briankardell @ParisWeb

Replying to @null and @sgalineau

Isn’t that what most conferences are organised for? @briankardell

Replying to @brucel

Clearly you have not heard the heartfelt tremolo on my interpretation of La Bohème. Charles himself wept. @briankardell @ParisWeb

Replying to @LeonieWatson

Done! It’s a thing. Next year for @ParisWeb we sing Aznavour. @brucel @briankardell
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Replying to @brucel

Oh, is that why? I thought it was because his ear hurt… @briankardell @ParisWeb

Replying to @glazou

Thought of that, but I only have the third one left. @brucel @briankardell @ParisWeb

Replying to @LeonieWatson

Replying to @LeonieWatson

It’s a lovely duet of @graouts and yours truly. @ParisWeb @brucel @briankardell

Replying to @null and @_paulverbeek

It’s okay, I’ve asked before.

Replying to @stevefaulkner

Please don’t spread those docs too much yet, they’re not finished enough :) @dstorey

Replying to @dstorey

The contribution policy is the same, the patent policy only kicks in if they get published at W3C. @stevefaulkner

Replying to @stevefaulkner

No need to go that far :) But it’s too early to draw people in. @dstorey

Replying to @dstorey

It’s not official, we’re experimenting. It’s basically for whatever works that makes the Web better. @stevefaulkner

Replying to @dstorey

If you have specific ideas as to how you think it could be most useful, we’re definitely interested. @stevefaulkner
@brucel I, wait, what?

Replying to @annso_

Je me suis souvent dit que ça serait encore plus satisfaisant si le bouton était encore plus gros.
Unix people: is it possible to add a new group to a user’s groupset without logging in again or using newgrp? (Sessionless environment)

Replying to @recifs

Ouais mais à un certain niveau de consommation faut aussi se trimballer un sac à linge sale pour les usagés... @tetue
J’attends le jour où l’INPES nous fera des campagnes comme celle-ci. dailymotion.com/video/x2ajpeb_… #couille

Replying to @null and @karlpro

Hahahaha
Pomme d'api: dès le plus jeune âge familiarisez vos enfants au fonctionnement de la presse en France (juillet 13&14).
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Replying to @edasfr

La tranche théorique c'est 3-7... Je ne sais pas, quitte à redessiner Petit Ours Brun ils auraient pu lui faire faire autre chose!

Replying to @edasfr

Non, mais après ça tu es fin prêt pour lire la presse de grands :)

Replying to @cyberbaloo_

Parfois j'ai besoin de choses simples tu sais :-) @edasfr

Replying to @brianleroux

It's not fully disruptive until you're distracted enough to try to lick one.
À @ville_montreuil, grève des parents! “@EluardMontreuil: L'établissement bloqué par les parents. #touchepasamazep ”
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Les dégats d’une (fausse) réputation de gentrification “@SeBattrelefilm NON à la suppression du REP @EluardMontreuil ”
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«La gentrification en Seine-Saint-Denis: mythe ou réalité?» slate.fr/tribune/77774/… cc @EluardMontreuil @touchepasamazep
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Replying to @tbernard1979

Ça ne fait pas statistique :)

Replying to @tbernard1979

C’est… une façon de voir les choses oui.

Replying to @porteneuve

Hahahaha :)

Replying to @odoutrellot

Bah un nanard avec des dinosaures C'EST DE LA BALLE!

Replying to @odoutrellot

Ouais, pour des animaux absurdes, certes, mais pour des dinosaures il faut du lourd!

Replying to @odoutrellot

Le problème principal, c’est qu’ils n’auront pas de plumes.

Replying to @odoutrellot

Oui, bon, c’est pas pareil, Godzilla c’est juste incompatible avec un budget.

Replying to @odoutrellot

Oui, bon, ça ça pue.

Replying to @odoutrellot

Ça manque de requins.

Replying to @odoutrellot

Quelques idées: bouletcorp.com
With the sexy @glazou! “@cyberbaloo_: Keep calm and @robinberjon flickr.com/photos/pariswe… j'adore. #parisweb”

Replying to @brucel

We were going for that, but as interpreted by Hieronymus Bosch. @glazou @cyberbaloo_

Replying to @brucel

I thought my «cologne» conveyed that facial hard notwithstanding. @glazou @cyberbaloo_
Achievement unlocked! “@brucel: @robinberjon I'm closing twitter for a few days now ... @glazou @cyberbaloo_”

Replying to @glazou

I’m not sure that was safe for outside of work either. @brucel @cyberbaloo_
«How Nature Works» by Per Bak. Simple, readable, and in my opinion an essential part of one’s basic intellectual toolkit.
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Replying to @null and @sgalineau

That’s also why my consulting rates are a fair bit higher than I’d otherwise need them to be. @briankardell

Replying to @null and @sgalineau

Not quite. Heathcare is essentially flat fee if you pay it yourself, that's not the case in a redistributive system @briankardell

Replying to @null and @sgalineau

I'm all for redistributing, but it needs to be handled well... @briankardell

Replying to @ourmaninjapan

Yes, this is small but cool :) Thanks!

Replying to @null and @stevegraham

Don't hesitate to file issues or PRs on GitHub. There's more coming, let us know what you need! @w3c

Replying to @starletdreaming and @_tomchristie

Yes. Everyone framework is doing structured submissions differently. This sort of stuff should be basic.

Replying to @starletdreaming and @_tomchristie

Having PUT would be nice, but it’s orthogonal. It’s also harder to design (but could happen if there were a push for it).

Replying to @starletdreaming and @_tomchristie

Ideally it can eventually also work with a repeat model where you fill out a form with JSON data.

Replying to @starletdreaming and @_tomchristie

I completely agree, the problem is figuring out how PUT works in terms of UI.

Replying to @starletdreaming and @_tomchristie

Some forms have repeatable content (boring eg: items in a cart). The form would have them once, the JSON would cause a repeat.

Replying to @starletdreaming and @_tomchristie

It’s an old problem that’s been attempted and abandoned a couple times already. But useful!

Replying to @starletdreaming and @_tomchristie

Thanks! Glad you liked it :) And there’s broader discussion at discourse.specifiction.org if you’re interested!

Replying to @starletdreaming and @_tomchristie

Well, say a form does a PUT. The server responds 201 Created with no payload. What’s the default browser behaviour?

Replying to @starletdreaming and @_tomchristie

It’s part of a broader project to involve developers a *lot* more in Web standards.
A beautiful reinvention of the Voynich Manuscript for #NaNoGenMo blog.safaribooksonline.com/2014/11/08/nan…

Replying to @starletdreaming and @_tomchristie

There’s cameronjones.github.io/form-http-exte… but it has little traction and I think it is probably doing too much at once.

Replying to @starletdreaming and @_tomchristie

Moving forward on this type of problem probably requires focussing on as small a part as possible.

Replying to @starletdreaming and @_tomchristie

There have also been discussions in the HTML WG in the past, but not fruitful.

Replying to @starletdreaming and @_tomchristie

I certainly encourage you to outline your ideas on @specifiction, and we’ll see how things can move forward from there!

Replying to @rubin

Qu’est-ce que tu vas faire là? Si tu veux passer prendre un café, n’hésite pas :)

Replying to @rubin

À #leweb? Non, mais Paris n’est pas si grand.

Replying to @__sebastien

Un plaisir, on va s'attacher à continuer. @w3c

Replying to @__sebastien

Haha, le sounding board c’est pas une blague, c’est une vraie expression :)

Replying to @__sebastien

Replying to @__sebastien

Non non, c’est juste dans les exemples, pour le reste il faut quand même que ça soit un minimum sérieux.

Replying to @__sebastien

Les specs ont besoin de formalisme, c’est vrai, mais sont inutilement rébarbatives.

Replying to @__sebastien

Je suis sur un projet pour à impliquer les dévs beaucoup plus directement dans les standards, les rendre lisible c’est un plus.

Replying to @__sebastien

Merci!
Au revoir @letankparis!

Replying to @domenic

It's a fair bit easier (and possibly saner) than sortable tables I would think. But in fairness there are no bugs. @briankardell

Replying to @briankardell

As far as I know it's implementable as is, browser feedback sure wouldn't hurt. @domenic

Replying to @wycats

I agree that's needed too. @briankardell @domenic

Replying to @glazou

Dans les deux cas c’est beaucoup trop long…
git-extras — you want this. github.com/tj/git-extras
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Replying to @kennethrohde

Last I checked nothing good in one place. @marcosc
Plein de bonnes choses dans @mouvementY (mouvy.fr), c’est vraiment dommage de conclure sur des peines plancher — totalement réactionnaire.

Replying to @patrick_h_lauke

It really is hard to tell, but in this case I’m pretty sure it’s parodic. Read its timeline. @jaffathecake @brucel

Replying to @patrick_h_lauke

I know it’s (sadly) credible, but look at e.g. twitter.com/UKIPEastLondon… @jaffathecake @brucel

Replying to @dirkschulze

Being under the webspecs org is not required, in fact forks wouldn't work otherwise! Any repo listed in the-index is good!

Replying to @dirkschulze

At this point CC0 is the only option but I'm not very religious about it. Its only value is GPL compat...

Replying to @dirkschulze

@dirkschulze... but GPL can die in pain for all I care. CC0 also has maximal compatibility with any SDO you want to ship to.
Wow, the online check-in experience with @AirIndiain is just absolutely appalling…

Replying to @null and @tolfsen

Not yet. Why? Is it supposed to be scary? :)

Replying to @null and @tolfsen

Well, their twitter account certainly has a sense of humour.

Replying to @wycats

It would be a lot easier to make this a community project if it were implemented using jsdom :-) @joshpeek

Replying to @wycats

I don't think it's sucking up all the oxygen, people have built alternatives with different problems. @yoavweiss @joshpeek

Replying to @wycats

Eventually, yes :-) @joshpeek

Replying to @joshpeek

In that case I am bound to ask why you're using Phantom :-) @wycats

Replying to @joshpeek

You make it sound like you haven't tried Zombie in earnest. @wycats
Happy birthday @mnot :)

Replying to @briankardell

Ha, maybe @koalie should prepare a bunch of these for the coming AC? happymagpie.com/diagrams/dstro…