For anyone who still doubted that Stallman should just be ignored… stallman.org/archives/2016-…
Quoting a tweet by @popey ↗
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275 tweets
Any of you geeks on Mastodon? I’m «robin» on the mastodon.social instance.
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Replying to @null and @prushforth
I missed out on that one on Twitter simply by being lazy — that won’t happen again!
Replying to @null and @prushforth
But with such a cool last name you can’t go wrong!
Replying to @innovimax
J'ai fait un script avec ghostscript :-)
Replying to @sandhawke
I haven’t had time to look under the hood, I wonder if there’s anything good there.
Replying to @sandhawke
Well, if the project does have traction it wouldn’t be shocking if they supplemented with their own protocols.
Replying to @AmeliasBrain
It's also the biggest weakness too, though. Running on so much hardware is a huge undertaking. @dstorey
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Replying to @dstorey
I’m *definitely* not saying it’s a bad thing. @AmeliasBrain
Can someone explain why with low participation, early voting, and mailed ballots one ends up with lines like this?
Quoting a tweet by @amyvdh ↗
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I ask because in France (and I guess elsewhere) there’s higher participation and only same-day voting I’ve never waited more than ~5-10 min.
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It might simply be that, when running something almost entirely handled by volunteers, Sundays are better than Tuesdays.
Et qui que ce soit le lui rend bien. #LaPrimaireLeDebat
Quoting a tweet by @marivaudage ↗
Et la France a hâte de revenir 60 ans en arrière! #LaPrimaireLeDebat
Quoting a tweet by @fournierghisl1 ↗
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Replying to @fabricedesre
Ok, let’s assume you’re voting on 10 things. Spread over 10 days: same. Yet there are lines where they’ve been voting for wks.
Replying to @sressler
Right, but in France every locality organises the election locally, and it’s 100% volunteer-run (with official verification).
Replying to @null and @amyvdh
Well that’s relative, but in general it has tended to be lower than in France (though not necessarily this election).
Replying to @sressler
Yeah, I’m not criticising, I’m just trying to figure out what France is doing right that isn’t obvious.
Replying to @sressler
They claim to be under-resourced there too. People joke about excuses they invent to give when invariably asked for help at booth.
Replying to @charlesengelke
That would make number of booths the limiting factor (since voter verification time is constant). @fabricedesre
Replying to @charlesengelke
Are booths significantly more complex here than just a some curtain on a structure? @fabricedesre
Replying to @charlesengelke
In France they’re like this: hellopro.fr/images/produit…. In both cases it looks easy to scale up :) @fabricedesre
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Replying to @null and @amyvdh
I understand that much, but it seems widespread even in place where one might (perhaps naïvely) expect little to no suppression.
Replying to @perigrin
All day?
Replying to @fabricedesre
But again, that can be scaled with just more isoloirs.
Replying to @fabricedesre
But the limiting factor is people on site to verify voters. It’s easy to scale the hardware ;)
Replying to @Simon_Lucy
Yes, but form-filling is a highly parallel process.
Replying to @Simon_Lucy
The people can do it in parallel. The bottleneck is voter verification (normally).
Fun fact! Last time I resided in the US during an election, G.W. Bush won against Al Gore.
Replying to @Simon_Lucy
Yes, France has the same system but on Sundays: more volunteers to verify people.
Replying to @alanstearns
I dunno man, it’s cold up there.
Replying to @glazou
Like you need bad luck over there…
Replying to @charlesengelke
Ha! It looks great :)
Replying to @null and @amyvdh
Only eight years? You mean you weren’t tracking Obama’s polls since 2006? ;-)
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I’m often frustrated that so many smart people I know don’t want to speak in public. Then morons like me end up on stage. So go read this!
Quoting a tweet by @lara_hogan ↗
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Replying to @null and @amyvdh
:) Yeah, before 538 the polls were collected by some crazy people on a Wikipedia page. It was… less slick :)
Replying to @TzviyaSiegman
People have been talking about doing that for ages (at least in France), it would be great if it really happens! @amyvdh
Replying to @fantasai
But at least laziness is susceptible to bribery!
Replying to @janl and @Svbtle
Touching the keys and values feels a bit invasive, might this build atop JSON-LD contexts instead?
Replying to @_developit
Can you push that CSS (but just that) off to a standalone CSS file instead of the bundle? @addyosmani
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Replying to @_developit
Might be worth a shot. Would make a great addition to that blog post ;-) @addyosmani
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Trust Lafayette Ave to know how to make even running seem like fun. I mean, the runners are stopping to take pictures of the side show.
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I wrote a forking server.
Independently, I also made a watcher to restart the process when I edit the code.
Oh.
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It’s impressive, I really don’t know how they do it. Somehow USPS has managed to hire people who can’t find the World Trade Center in NYC.
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With a domain like that I don’t see how she can lose. robinforsenator.com
Replying to @ZachWeiner
Yes: if you live sufficiently close to Clinton Hill it becomes pretty straightforward.
At least once today folks, at least once. youtu.be/9jK-NcRmVcw
Has anyone seen issues where @AtomEditor loses all packages & themes after a NodeJS upgrade? I thought they were separate?
Do you recommend any specific (Internet) video feed to follow tonight for a bunch of people drinking cocktails and biting their nails?
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Replying to @null and @notabene
Toi tu as trop lu Albert Cohen.
Replying to @null and @notabene
J’ai peut-être sauté deux ou trois étapes… Drinking nails (in water), Mangeclous, Albert Cohen. Voilà voilà.
Replying to @null and @notabene
Dans ma tête c’était drôle. Il y a beaucoup de choses qui sont drôles surtout dans ma tête.
Replying to @jeffsonstein
Thanks!
Replying to @null and @notabene
Ah oui ça serait chouette! Mais c’est grand cette connerie d’océan…
Replying to @null and @notabene
Ah ça tombe bien je fais aussi du sport et je fume/bois beaucoup moins. Ça devrait aider!
Replying to @null and @notabene
Il suffit de choisir un jour où les courants sont bons dans les deux sens.
If you’re using @IBMcloudant and they haven’t yet upgraded you to CouchDB 2.0, ask them not to, *now*. Whatever they do is totally broken.
French style #ElectionNight, with pumpkin pie, cheese, corsican pâté, and crémant for the victory.
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Ami français, suivez notre live #ElectionNight m.facebook.com/story.php?stor…
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De nouveau en live m.facebook.com/story.php?stor…
I don't like this, it's too close, way too close.
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Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.
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So. What happens if PA is too close and it goes to 4-4 in the Supreme Court?
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FFS, stop tweeting those «Dumbfuckistan» maps. Do you not understand _why_ we lost tonight?
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Replying to @mrgunn
Because its effect in Australia is so encouraging?
Replying to @mrgunn
Well, as much as I hate Trump it's not like Tony Abbot was actually any better.
Replying to @null and @SimonDeDeo, @scott_bot, @csugimoto
For intellectuals is the failure really predictions or that we don't offer a credible, coherent worldview?
So, how much of Trump’s anti-turnout strategy was enabled by Facebook’s ethnic targeting features?
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Replying to @mrgunn
People have been lying to pollsters forever. See France 2002 for a recent example. @SimonDeDeo @scott_bot @csugimoto
Replying to @Ananyo
Do you have a pointer to the source? I can only find truncated versions. Thanks!
Replying to @perigrin
Obviously, but I’m thinking about the things that can be fixed without an election.
Replying to @indy_johar and @mbauwens
Next up: France.
If you read any French, read Victor Hugo’s «Ultima Verba»
poesie.webnet.fr/lesgrandsclass…
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«Quand même grandirait l'abjection publique
A ce point d'adorer l'exécrable trompeur»
poesie.webnet.fr/lesgrandsclass…
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«It has happened, therefore it can happen again: this is the core of what we have to say.»
— Primo Levi
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La feuille de route vers une victoire de Marine Le Pen est claire. Vous avez 6 mois pour inverser la tendance: berjon.com/mlp/
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Replying to @Nico3333fr
Ha! Genre…
Replying to @Nico3333fr
Oui, je vois bien comment en 2006 on aurait pu y croire encore!
Replying to @mrgunn
I’m pretty sure that Facebook has the means to find out.
AMP does an amazing job of bringing back the full XHTML MP experience. When your content breaks, it’s right in front of your users.
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Replying to @Sniperovitch
C’est le moment de basculer sur «Qui a le droit?»
Watching Netflix's new show "The Crown". You know, monarchy, it doesn't seem all that bad.
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I strongly encourage you to read Simon's analysis, even if you would normally be put off by a PDF.
Quoting a tweet by @SimonDeDeo ↗
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Replying to @null and @rnewson
I don’t think it’s Couch 2.0, I think it’s the way Cloudant deployed it. Much of _users stopped working, eg. using keys.
Replying to @null and @rnewson
We’re working with support, but we’ve been offline for more than a day. We will probably switch to self-hosting.
Replying to @jonathanwebber and @cesifoti
It was openly the Trump campaign’s strategy, they were candid about it: bloomberg.com/news/articles/…
Soutenez-les, n’attendez pas que MLP hérite du pouvoir avec ce genre de fichier sous la main.
Quoting a tweet by @rubin ↗
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Replying to @gchampeau
Le problème, c’est qu’elle ne veut pas.
So… Replacing a vanilla browserify one-liner with webpack (out of the box) made my bundle 230% of the size (both unminified). Okay.
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After 2h, countless doc pages & blogs, and screenfuls of configuration the *minified* webpack version is still 115% of unminified original.
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Am I doing something obviously wrong or is that the expected experience? I’ve given up on webpack before, I’m not being convinced right now.
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Replying to @null and @rnewson
What worries me is those aren’t crazy corner-cases. Using keys on _all_docs on _users is pretty basic.
Replying to @null and @rnewson
Don’t worry about it, we coded like hell to deploy workarounds. I would just advise people to be very cautious.
Replying to @null and @rnewson
We expected some weird stuff to possibly break. We really didn’t see this coming.
Replying to @null and @marcosc
The packed format is pretty slow to process, also it’s painful to extend in any smart way.
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Replying to @null and @marcosc
That said, so far I’m not totally convinced by WebPack. I’m going to try the tree-shaking and chunking though.
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Replying to @null and @rnewson
I know for sure that Cloudant used to be fine, and 1.6 too (we used that before). We tried a lot of stuff in a panic 1/2
Replying to @null and @rnewson
I *think* one thing we tried was checking 2.0 to make sure we weren’t crazy.
Replying to @nekrtemplar
There were several problems indeed. Somewhere in a dependency `unicode`’s data was no longer ignored — that’s *huge*.
Replying to @nekrtemplar
And yes, much of the rest is core Node stuff that Browserify handles by default. I need to work through the details more.
Replying to @nekrtemplar
Overall I think this could be fixed by docs (as you no doubt know). The «WebPack for Browserify» thing didn’t help much.
Replying to @TheLarkInn
Sure, no problem, but as I was saying I think improved docs for transition could really do the trick.
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Il est impératif de lire cette interview de Marine Le Pen. foreignaffairs.com/interviews/201…
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Tout d'abord parce que vous vivez dans une bulle où MLP n'est que du racisme. Ce n'est pas le discours qu'elle tient à ceux qui l'écoutent.
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Haïssable pour d'autres raisons mais que vous aurez du mal à pointer car personne ne sait plus défendre le cosmopolitisme.
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En pratique, c'est l'héritière directe de Gaulle et de Georges Marchais. Le retour au Gloubiboulga Éternel.
Elle revendique aussi à raison la paternité du nationalisme économique de @montebourg. Une partie de la gauche votera pour elle au 2nd tour.
MLP, c'est le reste de totalitarisme que gauche et droite ont refusé de purger au sortir de la guerre. 70 ans sans faire le ménage...
Replying to @rubin
Comme ils ont chacun plus ou moins tort je censure les deux, c’est plus simple :) @soufron @AntonioCasilli
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I’m getting started rethinking our politics. If you’re tired of ranting on Twitter, come join.
politi.es
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Replying to @null and @ndw
Overnight everyone is on Signal.
Replying to @kendall and @ndw
It's an app, secure chatting and all that.
Replying to @LeaVerou
I have a pretty good idea of a tool that sits in between those two extremes. Happy to chat.
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Maybe the one thing to fix. gregpalast.com/election-stole…
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Replying to @RNumerique and @guillaumesire
EME c'est une version plus ouverte de ce qui est déjà emmuré, donc non, ce n'est pas le septième sceau...
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Je suis radié et soldé du RSI.
Il y a un alcool pour célébrer ça?
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Replying to @mcgodwinpaccard and @mcpaccard
Ils m’ont même poursuivi jusqu’à NYC pour me rendre de l’argent! J’avoue, j’attends la mauvaise surprise…
Why is everyone suddenly getting so worked up about fake news? Fox, Daily Mail, TF1, RAI… It’s been that way for a long, long time.
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@dginev Actually, I think many were already aware of this. I would suggest a better question: given that businesses will continue to run…
…that sort of «news» outlet so long as it works, what can _we_ do to make them less successful?
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Replying to @bradneuberg
Sure, in the same way that they brought about Brexit, Berlusconi, GWBush, and many others. Trump doesn’t make it a new problem.
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Replying to @yoavweiss
Je crois que ça va être ça de toute façon, il nous en reste plein de la semaine dernière…
Replying to @wycats and @slightlylate
Absolutely, but many of the bigger successes were actually improving accessibility production for developers.
Replying to @wycats and @slightlylate
In the tools that they were already using, no switching, no thinking.
Replying to @null and @amyvdh, @shimown
I understand, but I think it’s a red herring. It’s like the «post-factual democracy» talk after Brexit.
Replying to @null and @amyvdh, @shimown
News have been siloed and distorted for generations, and democracy was never factual. The degree changes, of course…
Replying to @null and @amyvdh, @shimown
…but I don’t think the basics do. Thinking that facts suffice is the classic rationalist mistake. I should probably write…
Replying to @null and @amyvdh, @shimown
…this up but Lakoff actually wrote a book about it (memory fails me).
Replying to @shimown and @amyvdh
I know but, this isn’t new. It was the same both times Obama ran for instance.
Replying to @null and @amyvdh, @shimown
I think it was amazon.com/Political-Mind…. Also amazon.com/ALL-NEW-Dont-T…
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Replying to @slightlylate
Yup. For me something like @cramforce’s splittable could be a game-changer. @wycats
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Replying to @slightlylate
Yup. And imagine that in a 4 person startup that’s perpetually two weeks from running out of cash. @wycats
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Replying to @rdeltour
Ramène du pain!
Replying to @wycats
Actually it’s not a debate at all. There is a problem, everyone knows it. Haranguing devs won’t achieve anything. @slightlylate
Replying to @wycats
So we can either fix the tools or accept the situation. There isn’t really a productive third option I can think of. @slightlylate
Replying to @null and @dauwhe
My sincere apologies, Dave. It’s just… I hear them talking of camps, there’s a threshold, I don’t know…
Replying to @null and @dauwhe
I struggle too. At what point might the sacred risk keeping us from seeing?
Replying to @null and @dauwhe
But it has offended you and that was the last thing on my list. It wasn’t meant as humour, either. I will remove it, sorry.
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Replying to @null and @dauwhe
The reminder was the purpose.
Replying to @brucel
I hope you get better fast, and please stop fibbing there’s just no way you’re 50.
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Replying to @vgholkar
Nice word!
Replying to @pedro93_ and @silvacls
That would be up to be the other browser vendors maybe? @slightlylate @wycats
Replying to @_sohalt
Pretty cool! The left pane is not what I had in mind, but the layout and idea are similar.
Replying to @LeaVerou
The style is crap, bad UI, and there’s a binding bug for newly created elements but the idea is roughly darobin.github.io/seditious/.
Replying to @LeaVerou
I don’t normally like XML-lie tree editors, but for SVG I think it makes sense. Attributes can have specific editors, the view…
Replying to @LeaVerou
…can be manipulatable, etc.
Juppé: "Les sondages? Ne nous y Fillon pas."
Le réactionnaire face à un monde complexe: "Courage, Fillon!"
Building useful user-facing features into a browser! You crazy @MSEdgeDev!
Quoting a tweet by @MSEdgeDev ↗
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Replying to @ThePracticalDev
The really fun part is when you have to take a break 2% into your planned feature set to roll your own templating language.
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When you have SVG layered on top of HTML is there a trick to get `enable-background` to take the HTML underneath into account?
Replying to @jeffsonstein
Yeah, but some of those deprecated ideas have a tendency to crop back up in some other guise :-)
Replying to @jeffsonstein
It's possible ASV6 did :-) #oldies
Learn from history. "The Right Way to Resist Trump" nyti.ms/2eMFa7H
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Replying to @stevefaulkner and @neil_osman, @TzviyaSiegman
Implementations need to handle any number at any position. The model might be <caption>.
Je vous avoue que je ne suis pas mécontent de n'avoir pas le droit de vote aux #PrimaireDroite, ça m'évite un choix inexistant.
Ceci dit avec une bonne participation je verrais bien Sarkozy en quatrième position. #PrimaireDroite
Replying to @goulvench
Tu ne te souviens pas de la dernière fois? :-) @extatiq
Je tiens à remercier chaleureusement les équipes de LR pour avoir donné une nouvelle fois aux Français l'occasion d'envoyer chier Sarkozy.
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Replying to @glazou
C’est jouissif. J’ai hâte de regarder sa vidéo de concession. Et de voir s’il va oser foutre la merde en se présentant quand même.
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Pour l’instant @jf_cope est donné devant les votes blancs et nuls, mais je ne comprends pas comment ils les distinguent.
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Replying to @edasfr
Tu cherches quelque chose de précis? On n’est pas en France et il n’y a rien de public, mais on y bosse.
Replying to @gchampeau
Il est très réac, c'est à la mode. @FrancoisFillon
Replying to @trekonomics
Err. Where did you get that impression from? @nycjim
Replying to @trekonomics
Even then, if you look close enough Fillon isn’t that far from a Pence for instance.
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Si je veux m’installer un @MyCozyCloud à la maison pour toute la famille, vous me recommandez du hardware particulier? Un Pi3 suffit?
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Replying to @cozycloud and @MyCozyCloud
Oui j’ai vu la doc, je me demandais juste si ça tournait bien. Merci!
Replying to @trekonomics
If your argument is that they can't as easily plead insanity then I have to concede :-)
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Replying to @trekonomics
Still, I don't know if you read the Foreign Affairs interview of Le Pen; I don't see Fillon standing very far away.
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Replying to @jwajsberg
non.
Replying to @null and @nhoizey
Ah, pas de comptes? De toute façon c'est surtout pour nos photos et musique 🎶 :-) @MyCozyCloud
Replying to @torobotaki
Je voulais dire: comment distinguent-ils un vote blanc et nul d’un vote pour @jf_cope :)
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Tout faire graviter autour de Le Pen plutôt que de proposer du neuf ce n'est rien d'autre que de lui assurer la victoire.
Quoting a tweet by @Larrain_fr ↗
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Pour que Christiane Taubira se présente à la primaire du PS change.org/p/christiane-t…
En Martinique, méfie-toi quand même des crabes volants.
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"La vie peut être plus amusante si vous le voulez." J'avoue que la méthode convainc.
Has someone made an app that randomly downloads goatsex (sorry, "unconventional pornography") every day for all our UK friends to use?
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Does anyone know if non-Americans can donate?
Quoting a tweet by @MichaelSkolnik ↗
One big difference between @theresa_may & Big Brother is the latter lacked a rule as to how many fingers up an orifice count as conventional
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I guess that at least now we know what @theresa_may means when she uses a rule of thumb.
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Replying to @null and @amyvdh
Ah, thanks, couldn't find them! Shame though, it'd be a quick fundraising!
Replying to @briankardell
What if it has to go to the Supreme Court and it reaches a 4-4 decision due to missing Justice?
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J'avais 4 ans, au moment de la présidentielle j'en aurai 40. Et on va se demander pourquoi les Français ont l'impression que rien ne change.
Quoting a tweet by @Inafr_officiel ↗
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Replying to @null and @koalie
wow, love it!
Replying to @w3c
I am thankful for the people who make the Web, for the constant learning, and for turning my life around.
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Replying to @wycats
Man, some day I will understand what's up with those three pixels on the side that Macs ram down your throat...
Me, as a kid, pretending to drive the car: move the wheel, honk, etc.
My daughter doing the same: starts tinkering with the GPS...
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Has anyone established a link between the westwide rise in fascistic tendencies and the gradual loss of social capital in the same places?
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Replying to @null and @prushforth
It's definitely not just the US, and it is indeed a well documented trend (notably Putnam, Fukuyama).
Replying to @cesifoti
"global" is probably optimistic.
Replying to @econoclaste
"WTF"
Replying to @null and @amyvdh, @khipsky
I'm missing context (or twitter isn't giving it to me), what kitty?
Replying to @null and @amyvdh, @khipsky, @wendyX
We already have one (and she's not the sharing kind...), but I'm asking around!
Bon, entre nous, vous pensez que ça serait sérieux, utile et possible que je me présente dans ma circonscription des Français de l'étranger?
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Replying to @cyberbaloo_
C'est bien vrai ça!
Replying to @glazou
Déjà, pour avoir ce problème il faut commencer par gagner :-)
Replying to @null and @Floppy
I am!
Replying to @rdeltour
Tu m'enlèves un de mes meilleurs arguments!
Replying to @null and @Floppy
Ah, subtle point of French politics: there are five international MP districts for people who live abroad. I'm in one.
Replying to @null and @Floppy
Absolutely! Thanks a lot for the offer!
Replying to @torgo and @Floppy
It's interesting, but at the same time canvassing North America presents, ahem, a challenge.
Replying to @cyberbaloo_
Bisou pareil!
Replying to @wz43rtx
Je pense sans, à voir. Pourquoi?
Replying to @wz43rtx
Au choix, je pense que l’option 1 est plus facile :)
Replying to @patrick_h_lauke
Badass.
Am I the only one totally baffled by the commenting and responding UI on @Medium?
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Replying to @null and @ndw
Sure, but that’s another debate. I just want to talk to the people who are writing things.
Replying to @tabatkins
Maybe «what you do’s useless» as the opening salvo isn’t the best invite to work upstream? @stevefaulkner @AmeliasBrain @ZCorpani
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Replying to @tabatkins
No but if you genuinely want to fix the divide rather than score points, you need work too. @stevefaulkner @AmeliasBrain @zcorpan
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Replying to @tabatkins
There’s plenty of blame to go around on all sides of the issue. Continuing it doesn’t help. @stevefaulkner @AmeliasBrain @zcorpan
Replying to @tabatkins
As it happens this is a useful, small, author-friendly change. Slamming it is just dumb. @stevefaulkner @AmeliasBrain @zcorpan
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Replying to @tabatkins
I have no idea what that even meant.
Replying to @tabatkins
Yeah. And divergence will persist so long as that sort of behaviour does. @stevefaulkner @AmeliasBrain @zcorpan
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Replying to @tabatkins
The only reason there is still a fork is because the WHATWG rejected the offer to make upstream+snapshots work together.
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Replying to @tabatkins
How so? We could have had single-source at the WHATWG and patent protection years ago, with all happy to contribute.
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Replying to @tabatkins
That is entirely inaccurate. I made a proposal including labels and all. It was rejected solely on stylistic grounds.
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Replying to @tabatkins
So you believe that snapshots should have no style at all? I still have to hear a solid argument for that.
Replying to @tabatkins
That was definitely included. You don’t seem to know the proposal in question.
Replying to @tabatkins
Which is daft. It can be made clear far more effectively. Also, implementers aren’t *that* stupid.
Many moons ago I made a proposal for peace between @w3c and @WHATWG. It was rejected, but if you want to revive it: gist.github.com/darobin/40722d…
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Replying to @tabatkins
Made a quick dump at gist.github.com/darobin/40722d…
Replying to @tabatkins
That doesn’t sound like a deal-breaker. It is certainly deliberately neutral, though.
Replying to @tabatkins
I would just put that in the fixed banner at the top. More effective IMHO.
Replying to @tabatkins
If proposing a solution instead of bitching about people having requirements outside your small world is «watered down» then sure
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Replying to @ShaneHudson
No, that was actually the plan for HTML 5 had the WHATWG been pragmatic instead of egotistic. But hey, that’s life! @tabatkins
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Replying to @tabatkins
Dismissing things as «watered down» and powered by «ego» isn’t feedback, it’s trolling.
Replying to @tabatkins
I think the Usage section can take the time to explain things. The fixed banner should be clear-cut. Different use cases.
Replying to @tabatkins
That was my goal until you started being mean. We can ignore that and reboot if you want!
Replying to @tabatkins
Which is *exactly* why that section can take the time to explain. It’s only intended for the people who read those parts.
Replying to @tabatkins
Hence *BIG FIXED TOP BAR SAYING «THIS SNAPSHOT, YOU WANT LIVE UNLESS SURE»*.
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Replying to @tabatkins
Sure, as I said, that’s easily fixable.
Replying to @tabatkins
Sure, it could probably move in that direction. I think that makes too many assumptions, but it can get close IMHO.
Replying to @tabatkins
Note though that that part was deemed okay in the discussion, actually…
Replying to @tabatkins
Well, I can’t commit to anything on behalf of anyone *now*, but that proposal was seen as workable with room for change.
Replying to @tabatkins
After long back and forth the only remaining objection from WHATWG was that there was a stylesheet.
Replying to @tabatkins
Ha! Like I said at the beginning, I think it’s largely an attitude fix.
Replying to @tabatkins
No, it’s addressed at *different* people. The implementers are targeted by the big red thing.
Replying to @tabatkins
Eg. you don’t want lawyers to understand the difference. You know, people who read boilerplate.
Replying to @null and @marcosc
That’s just… asinine. But whatever. @tabatkins
Replying to @tabatkins
Oh, not pointing from the banner to the Usage section could indeed be good.
Replying to @null and @marcosc
Clearly you give enough fucks to be rude about it. At zero fucks the normal behaviour is to just STFU. @tabatkins
Replying to @null and @marcosc
Oh right! Because calling people «Trump» on twitter is helpful and rational. It’s all clear now! @tabatkins
Replying to @domenic
If it’s the truth why is that not what you said in those emails? @tabatkins
Replying to @tabatkins
That’s not my recollection, but anyway, I’m sorry I tried to help today. @domenic