C'est la rentrée! \o/
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September 2014
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Replying to @really_bz and @bz_moz, @marcosc, @yoavweiss, @sgalineau, @tobie, @DavidBruant, @domenic
I’m dropping CCs, you know where to look for the replies :)
Replying to @really_bz and @bz_moz
I haven’t dug into this, but can’t you expose them wrapped? Or am I missing the problem?
Replying to @null and @marcosc
Requiring non-JS system bindings for some stuff isn’t that big a deal. «Mostly-JS» is enough. @bz_moz
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Replying to @null and @marcosc
No, we’re looking for a way to get web devs hacking browsers — minimising C++ is just a means to that end. @bz_moz
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Replying to @null and @marcosc
If much/most of the Web-exposed stuff becomes fully JS-hackable that’s waaaay enough to get the ball rolling. @bz_moz
Replying to @ShaneHudson
That’s certainly a problem I can sympathise with, having done it and failed many times. @marcosc @bz_moz
Replying to @ShaneHudson
But it’s even harder on people if they don’t know the language ;) @marcosc @bz_moz
Replying to @ubiquitic
je t'ai répondu hier!
Rue des Boulets.
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Replying to @manuelstofer
Glad you like it :) There’s still a lot of work left though…
Replying to @really_bz and @bz_moz
That it’s not an EventHandler/Function but an object containing that and a pointer to its context?
Replying to @really_bz and @bz_moz
But then I’m not sure which specific problem you’re pointing at so I’m likely grasping at very short straws :)
Replying to @really_bz and @bz_moz
Performance, priorities, lack of this or that… — feels like a conversation on Gecko and mobile from ten years ago :) @marcosc
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Replying to @sangwhanmoon
Of course the complexity stays, but lang+community size/type make a difference. @ShaneHudson @marcosc @bz_moz
Replying to @yoavweiss and @stevefaulkner, @domenic
The plan (I’m writing up more details) from darobin.github.io/after5/ is to have living specs.
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Replying to @yoavweiss
With a nice central location and a way of tying in to the REC track to make everyone happy. @stevefaulkner @domenic
Lightning Talks @ParisWeb 2014: Appel à orateurs!
On compte sur vous pour fêter les 25 ans du Web dignement!
paris-web.fr/actualites/201…
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Replying to @really_bz and @bz_moz
Well, JS XPCOM in chrome used to be unable to expose object attributes to content and that changed; one can be optimistic ;)
Replying to @really_bz and @bz_moz
Process all the things! @marcosc
Replying to @domenic
To put it gently: it seems to have all the advantages of CC0 without the political polarisation.
Replying to @domenic
It’s also the licensing model for Wikipedia, so there’s good precedent (actually used in court).
Replying to @Hixie
How does that change people rehashing the same points they've made before with no new information not useless?
Replying to @domenic
A bunch of large companies, notably two major browser vendors. Maybe we could sway them with a strong show of community support.
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Replying to @domenic
Duly noted, I just might get back to you on that :-)
«Les chômeurs veulent un renforcement des mesures pour mieux contrôler l’efficacité du ministère du Travail» legorafi.fr/2014/09/02/les… #EtBam
Replying to @briankardell and @tobie, @yoavweiss, @specifiction
I should set up monitoring for this, but I'm thinking of moving it to webplatform.org.
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Replying to @briankardell
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@briankardell I’d rather not fit in your bathroom.
Please.
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The Web Standards We Need: Part I — Tightening the Feedback Loop
medium.com/@briankardell/…
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Replying to @briankardell
Being featured on that site is still one of my proudest achievements. @brucel
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To whom do you pray for your data's integrity?
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Replying to @espadrine
Also, given how prevalent MD is on the Web, I would really *really* consider it a Web format. @tobie @codinghorror
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@__apf__ Found cosic.esat.kuleuven.be/publications/a… (via @dontcallmeDOM lists.w3.org/Archives/Publi…). Can't load it here, but I think that's what I had in mind
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Replying to @__apf__
Actually I hadn’t and it looks good, thanks!
Replying to @tobie
We’re starting to have a lot riding on the project, maybe we should have some place to coordinate :) @marcosc @espadrine @lessig
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Replying to @null and @marcosc
You’re going to have a really hard time getting RF commitments on anything living. @dirkschulze @tobie @espadrine
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Replying to @null and @marcosc
If it’s not a snapshot, how can you establish you won’t be adding stuff covered by new patents? @dirkschulze @tobie @espadrine
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Replying to @null and @marcosc
That’s the *absolute* heart of the issue. The rest is window dressing and personal taste. @dirkschulze @tobie @espadrine
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Replying to @tobie
Seriously though, would it be useful to have a CG or some place to develop ideas? @ForbesLindesay @marcosc @espadrine
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Replying to @tobie
Well, @specifiction is mostly for proposals IMHO. Perhaps just a Chapters Council CG?
Replying to @tobie
I’ve heard it been mentioned and getting blank stares; it might be worth a good shot. @marcosc @dirkschulze @espadrine
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Replying to @tobie
I don’t care so long as there’s a place to coordinate. An issue tracker and some MD WFM.
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Replying to @tobie
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Replying to @yoavweiss
So tempted to troll them. SO TEMPTED. Shame they're not on CSS4 too.
Replying to @yoavweiss
But I look forward to the article when we announce we're not doing 5.1 :-)
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Replying to @tobie
Man, I had no idea. I’m so sorry. I’ll send you a package with the bread we get here.
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Replying to @yoavweiss
People read that? @karlpro
À 19h sur France Culture ce soir, la nouvelle émission de Matthieu Conquet "Culture Musique" (nom rejeté: "HiFi et Maintenant"). #MustListen
Replying to @hober
Well, you could hop over to Berlin a bit :-)
OH: "Ce qui est bien avec les jésuites, c'est que c'est comme le Club Méd: ils ont des maisons partout."
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OH: "L'équilibre, c'est vraiment une question d'oreille interne et de point G."
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Replying to @domenic
Err, wtf man. Anyone can raise an issue... that doesn't make it policy. Can you please keep the FUD within reasonable levels?
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Replying to @annevk
Your point being? Are you making the case that @afbarstow sets policy? @domenic
Replying to @tabatkins
I have, and it strikes me as an interesting political gambit. You know en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_… @annevk @afbarstow @domenic
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Replying to @tabatkins
There has been refusal to accept such references in multiple cases. Showing it as absurd is good IMHO @annevk @afbarstow @domenic
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Replying to @tabatkins
Interestingly, this policy is not applied to RFCs. So if it’s only WHATWG, it’s logical to blacklist. @annevk @afbarstow @domenic
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Replying to @tabatkins
Let us assume it’s not an RaA situation. It would clearly be absurd. Therefore, it’s an RaA situation @annevk @afbarstow @domenic
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I’ll confess to being unduly proud of this specific tweet:
Replying to @tabatkins
Let us assume it’s not an RaA situation. It would clearly be absurd. Therefore, it’s an RaA situation @annevk @afbarstow @domenic♥ 4↺ 1
Replying to @null and @sgalineau
I'm writing an anti-jerk policy for a standards-related project. I'm including "process jerk" as a special case.
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Replying to @annevk
You mean by hits? It might also mean a few other things... @mnot @slightlylate
@barefootliam Happy birthday!
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Current status youtube.com/watch?v=IdSpxk…
Replying to @FremyCompany
Hey, actually that’s pretty awesome. It’s not their fault Windows is stupid there :(
Replying to @FremyCompany
BTW, you do know about npm dedupe, right? It can help a fair bit there.
Replying to @FremyCompany
It avoids the problem of dependencies depending on different versions.
Replying to @FremyCompany
It finds duplicates and where possible moves them up the tree.
Replying to @FremyCompany
Yes, but that complicates resolution. It pushes the problem to runtime.
Are you all doing the Internet Slowdown tomorrow? battleforthenet.com/sept10th/ cc @w3c
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What kind of moron books a 7:30 flight? Your Web better be extensible Berlin!
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Replying to @FremyCompany
A few of us are meeting at some beer garden, want to join?
And, you ask, what kind of moron takes brand new shoes on a trip?
Replying to @gimsieke
Ha! You don’t know what my feet are like; those would be way, way worse :)
Getting ready for #extwebsummit to get started in sunny Berlin!
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Replying to @null and @klick_ass
Yeah, half of Berlin is trying to come here!
Replying to @FremyCompany
It’s sunny!
Replying to @html5test
Run, test, RUN!!!
First question at #extwebsummit, from @brucel: «I’ve always wanted to know: what’s the difference between a technopreneur and an imagineer?»
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Replying to @mattpatterson and @fidothe, @brucel
Indeed!
Replying to @supersole
Are you just going to laugh or are you open to the idea that it might work?
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#extwebsummit @supersole coming up, with the coolest Web Components t-shirt.
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#extwebsummit «What drugs were they taking when they wrote the Components. It’s just a tree, another tree, a different tree» @supersole
#extwebsummit «I’m subscribed to mailing lists. I only read them on the plane when I know I can’t answer.» @supersole
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Replying to @supersole
Good talk! We can fix a lot of that madness.
Replying to @null and @marcosc
I've been meaning to read it. Do you have some time next week to sync up on this?
Replying to @null and @marcosc
That's what we're setting up and were just talking about in this session.
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Replying to @mattpatterson and @fidothe
While saddened by @brucel’s poor life choices, I will be there.
@marcosc What’s that URI Specification CG you support?
Replying to @null and @marcosc
Ok, this seems harmless!
«Go work in standards» they said.
«It’s fun all the time» they said.
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Replying to @null and @marcosc
Too long for a tweet :) I think they’re cleaning up the minutes yeah (there were some).
Replying to @brucel and @marcosc
Oh, I thought Marcos was talking about the Permissions meeting, not the EWS permissions thing.
Replying to @brucel and @marcosc
Minutes for all those sessions are on oksoclap and all.
OH: «CR was invented to prevent specs from getting ahead of implementations. This spec is 25 years *behind* implementations.»
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Replying to @Hoedic
There’s a level down from that though: standards testing :)
Replying to @lehors
I know, but precisely in this context we were discussing tech that’s been implemented for 25 years with no «proper» spec.
Replying to @null and @marcosc
People bashed ideas around, I wouldn’t take everything in there as a «plan». @dontcallmeDOM @brucel
Replying to @null and @marcosc
Having said that, I am not opposed to the notion of a permission model with multiple entry points. @dontcallmeDOM @brucel
Replying to @null and @marcosc
MSFT made very good points about the value they got from a model in which perms could come from many sources @dontcallmeDOM @brucel
Replying to @null and @marcosc
I think that’s in agreement with a lot of positions there. @dontcallmeDOM @brucel
Replying to @bortzmeyer
Tu penses à son athéologie? Je l'ai trouvée pleine de platitudes et de "ouhlala je suis pas content!" @ThomasWieder
Replying to @jedschmidt and @thebabydino, @jsconfeu
At @ParisWeb they have that and sign language translators; it's awesome.
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Replying to @ZacErnst
Seriously? It's awesome! Who's the publisher?
I intensely look forward to the upcoming new translation of the Prolegomena as "Foreplays". m.barnesandnoble.com/w/fundamental-… (via @ZacErnst)
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Replying to @quatremer
Oui, c'est juste le moyen classique de n'avoir qu'un seul slogan dans un pays multilingue. Rien de neuf. @vlentz
Merci à @bayardjeunesse/#Oxybul de nous avoir envoyé un catalogue de Noël le 15/09, ça permet d'éduquer les enfants aux méfaits du marketing
Replying to @Delphine_D
Putain, voudraient-ils notre mort? On n’a pas eu le temps de finir la rentrée!
Replying to @Delphine_D
L’avantage à Montreuil c’est que les décorations sont tellement pourries qu’on se rend à peine compte de leur arrivée :)
Replying to @Delphine_D
Bien joué :)
Replying to @FremyCompany
KaTeX, fast math typesetting for the Web: khan.github.io/KaTeX/
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There is a WHATWG document that has been jointly published with W3C for six years with no drama. Do you know which one? #ImagineAllThePeople
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Replying to @null and @marcosc
You honestly can’t guess?
Replying to @ShaneHudson
Nope. That one has been overall pretty friendly, but has still been involved in some minor controversy.
Replying to @espadrine
Hmmm, no, actually that’s not the plan :) specs.wpo is for documentation, drafts.wpo for drafts, but in subdirs.
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Replying to @espadrine
Also, it is meant to include forks/proposals, not just the «released» stuff.
The forking collaboration model is now coming to academic papers: technical.ly/brooklyn/2014/… (cc @anaisrassat)
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@mitroco How do I debug a problem where the Firefox extension gets stuck on login? Does exactly fill me with trust…
@authorea Hi! I’m wondering if you’ve considered enabling the edition of Web standards on your platform (being technical, structured docs).
Replying to @MitroCo
No worries. Is it published? I searched to no avail. Also, redirecting the home page to the addon doesn’t help finding information!
Replying to @anaisrassat
And so when we were talking about innovation precisely of that kind last Sunday you didn't mention it? :-P
Replying to @anaisrassat
it's exactly what I wanted to do for policy papers but didn't finish. Very cool!
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Reading about urn probability models. Brain keeps asking if URLs wouldn't be better.
Replying to @null and @LawJQG
Et personne pour répondre: "Eh, c'est toi le louche"? @Maitre_Eolas
Replying to @leonor_de_b
pas que lui...
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Replying to @MuSylvain
Un plaisir :)
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Replying to @authorea
Sure! Pretty much anything under w3.org/TR/. Happy to chat more about details over email.
Très bonne idée de @bloveluck: stopper net «l’Entreprise Terroriste Individuelle» en l’assujettissant à l’URSSAF et au RSI. #PJLTerrorisme
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Replying to @null and @divya
*So* wish I could be there.
Replying to @SimonSapin and @divya
OOOH, yes please!
Replying to @mrnebbi and @ianisted
Korean-speaking friends: a reporter is asking how to write my name in the Korean alphabet. Can you help me out please?
Service announcement: I have transferred the repos for both ReSpec and its docs to the @w3c organisation. All hail the new maintainers!
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Replying to @wilhelmja
Seriously dude, keep your «citrus oils» out of my face and I’ll stick to my London Dry Gin, mkay? @brucel
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‘I’m an atheist, but I don’t want anything to do with organized atheism if these guys are the leaders.’ Yup. #Dawkins theguardian.com/commentisfree/…
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Oh, hey, cool, hadn’t stumbled across that one yet.
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I guess this means we’ll need to set up a tasting session at TPAC. @wilhelmja @brucel
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Replying to @hober
Nah, I'm Australian, you're from Boston. Thou art the Art.
Replying to @null and @nhoizey
bienvenue dans la civilisation :-)
@ConquetFC Ah ben voilà!
Matthieu Conquet, la voix de la curiosité musicale sur France Culture, est enfin parmi nous. Bienvenue @ConquetFC!
Replying to @littlecalculist
I can get to that Monday. Normally you should have enough xp to have many, though. @specifiction @eviltrout
Bah, I was so looking forward to filing for Scottish citizenship.
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Replying to @codepo8
ow.
Replying to @littlecalculist
So I checked, and you shouldn’t be limited. Can you send me details? @specifiction @eviltrout
Replying to @littlecalculist
Ah ok. I’ve upped the number of links newcomers can use. LMK if it’s enough, we haven’t seen spam so far anyway. @eviltrout
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Ce soir je cause futur des standards du Web aux Paris Tech Talks: meetup.com/Paris-Tech-Tal…
"A good developer spends 1/3rd of their time writing tests." @OriPekelman Yes, and 2/3rds writing documentation.
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Replying to @ParisTechTalks
Oui, elle est à berjon.com/presentations/…. Merci, cool soirée!
Il y a un type derrière moi qui n’arrête pas de dire «webmestre». Et pourquoi pas toilemestre?
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Replying to @bortzmeyer
Quand on dit «webmestre», on n’est plus très loin de parler comme un journaliste, non?
Coffee: it’s actually slowing you down.
qz.com/269294/caffein…
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Replying to @jwajsberg
At the same doses, probably yes.
Replying to @cyberbaloo_
Le plus drôle c’est que j’ai fait la blague et quand j’ai relu le form fait par l’équipe, je me suis piégé tout seul :) @glazou
Replying to @cyberbaloo_
Replying to @cyberbaloo_
On ne reçoit pas de mail, ça va dans une base mais je ne sais pas (encore) où elle est. @glazou
Replying to @RegardsCitoyens
Ça fait combien de temps qu’elle est lancée prochainement? On peut s’inscrire? O:-) @S_LeGoff @fhollande
I can’t find that SMBC comic with the squares and the circles arguing. Remember which one it is?
Replying to @Saint_loup
THANK YOU
Replying to @jirkakosek
Can we please not have a flame war on this? «High school corridor» and such is *very* unhelpful.
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Replying to @jirkakosek
Can you clarify that? Right there it looks like you’re resorting to name-calling.
Replying to @jirkakosek
I understand, but it reads like you’re calling them kids. You don’t know that a joke was meant rather than clumsy tinkering.
@dgfip_officiel Vous pourriez trouver mieux que RSI pour le Régime Simplifié? On a déjà une jungle d’acronymes, si en + il y a des doublons…
Just sayin’: the Awesome SVG curated list of awesome SVG stuff (github.com/willianjusten/…) is trending #3 on GitHub: github.com/trending
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And the cool guy who’s curating that project is @Willian_justen btw.
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Replying to @plhw3org
The whole point of modularity and orthogonality, though, is that one can link without caring much about stability :) @briankardell
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Replying to @Willian_justen
Indeed — it’s been a while coming, too :) @heycam
Replying to @plhw3org
♬ There is a flower within my heart
Daisy, Daisy planted one day by a passing glance ♬
@briankardell
Replying to @plhw3org
I wish @w3cmemes were more involved in the discussion, they always manage to bring in the sanity :) @briankardell
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Replying to @RegardsCitoyens
Excellente nouvelle, merci! @manuelvalls @Parl_Citoyens
Vous pouvez encore soumettre vos incroyables lightning talks pour @ParisWeb. Avec @glazou, on vous aime! paris-web.fr/actualites/201…
Now that doesn't happen every day.
Replying to @null and @sgalineau
Clearly there are perks involved in this editorship thing that I hadn't considered before joining.
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"Signals and Boundaries", John Holland. A clear yet powerful set of ideas for a framework to define complex adaptive systems.
You know you've been on the Internet too long when you read "MILK" and think "Mother I'd Like to... Kill?"
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Replying to @vgholkar
you take the fun out of everything!
Haro sur le 94.
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Il est encore le temps de soumettre des Lightning Talks pour @ParsiWeb! Avec @glazou on attend vos meilleures idées! docs.google.com/forms/d/1OCmra…
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Are there non-idealised interactions that are really time-reversible? The textbook billiard ball example is clearly bollocks.
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Replying to @null and @karlpro
I mean physical interactions (what’s the other kind? :) but I’m not sure what your notation refers to.
Replying to @null and @karlpro
All the texts on reversibility invariably cite billiard balls as a reversible process because «the video backwards makes sense».
Replying to @null and @karlpro
But that’s bollocks, because friction. And any pool player knows that since friction is actually used in the game.
Replying to @null and @karlpro
I understand S for entropy but still not the whole line :-)
Replying to @null and @karlpro
In the sense that you can't infer an arrow of time from a record of all the moving parts.
Replying to @null and @karlpro
Splitting «contexts» up strikes me as precisely what is specious :)
Replying to @null and @karlpro
LOL.
Replying to @null and @karlpro
But, yeah, that’s the heart of the problem. I question if it might not be entirely wrong for that very purpose.
Replying to @null and @karlpro
Of course, but not all are *equally* specious. That’s the point of coming up with new ones :)
Replying to @null and @karlpro
I would claim that the notion of a reversible process has been at odds with observation for quite a while by now. Hence my question
Replying to @null and @karlpro
No, no one claims it is possible, but you have to wonder if even thinking in those terms isn’t causing trouble.
Replying to @null and @m_strehl
I understand that, but it is a completely idealised example that never exists.
Replying to @null and @m_strehl
I know. The point of my question was whether there are actual cases (inc. microscopic) in which no aspect is neglected.
Replying to @null and @m_strehl
That can’t even theoretically work :)
Big thanks to @domenic for working hard w/me to find out how @WHATWG & @w3c could publish together. Sadly no success github.com/darobin/kadesh
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Replying to @briankardell
At the risk of mischaracterising through brevity, @WHATWG would enjoy the RF policy but the docs can't look like standards...
Replying to @briankardell
@briankardell... whereas @w3c does not really have a notion of such a thing. Maybe a new process, but don't hold your breath.
Replying to @glazou
that's what I meant by recorded, but I take your point.
Replying to @briankardell
No style sheet, no mention of being a standard, cannot be linked to as a reference.
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Replying to @mattur
Were you replying to anything in particular? I can think of quite a few contexts :)
Replying to @mattur
Well yeah.
Replying to @tevac
Pardon? @gustomela @ppolsinelli
Replying to @tevac
J'étais déjà plutôt perdu sur le reste :-) @gustomela
By far the best @w3cmemes in a very long time. Yes, it took a Downfall meme. meemsy.com/v/22036 #HTML #URL #WTAF
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Replying to @patrick_h_lauke
I was crying with laughter throughout :) @w3cmemes
Replying to @stevefaulkner
I think I might pause before that :) @w3cmemes
Il reste des places pour @ParisWeb! Venez nombreu(x|ses)! inscriptions.paris-web.fr/?utm_content=n…
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Can someone let me know when Meemsy is back up? I really need to watch that video every few hours.
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We should have a @w3cmemes session at TPAC. Not sure who would host though.
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Replying to @newtron
Man, don’t get me started on Moodle…
Replying to @newtron
If you find something better, I reckon the folks at W3C Dev Campus might be interested.