March 2020
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Conversely, people might be forced to learn that these big brand things aren't all that useful. Regular soap is more effective, and I'm guessing that white vinegar, while not packaged conveniently, works at least as well on surfaces?
Oh merde.
This seems like a great way to entrench the issue.
If we:
* Regulate data markets and give user agents a duty of care;
* Make distributors responsible for toxic content; and
* Prevent self-preferencing;
then the Internet megafauna problem could well solve itself.
Quoting a tweet by @ftbrussels ↗
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User agents such as browsers, operating systems, identity providers should be under the obligation to work for their users rather than for their makers. Chrome, Android, iOS, Windows all violate this rule.
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@benyt asks good questions that are worth worrying over. Media needs new models and no one will build them for us, but they need to work broadly and not just for a few big ones.
"Why the Success of The New York Times May Be Bad News for Journalism" nyti.ms/2VxBIlr
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Underrated tweet.
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You just hate innovation, Sean.
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Okay, OKAY, I was joking about the privacy thing, you can stop showing me Mike Bloomberg ads everywhere now.
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I mean, it depends on where those putative hopes were being pinned. I can think of places they could have been pinned that make @maggieNYT's statement correct!
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It's filtered🙄🤭
I think I need to stop watching election results...
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Biden has the worst sound engineer.
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How many ads did the accounts see before they were taken down?
That would be my expectation, but we don’t have to guess: they can actually produce that number. It would be a good number to know.
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We might never know.
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So much.
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Do you have a source to share?
Awesome, thanks!
Any recommendations on the business side? 😉😇
Surely made reading this from Brooklyn a lot more exciting 😁
S'okay, I'm not excessively worried for my family, but I did immediately start going through a mental checklist of how to make the next few weeks working from home function, with the expectation we'd follow suit!
[cue Robin's broken record] that's why making 3P controllers illegal, placing a duty of care on user agents like browsers, phones, and identity providers, purpose limitation on a sliding scale, etc. are key to reshape the market even for those who don't care about privacy 😁
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I know that athletes have training plans in which they have specifically chosen days on which they don't train, or vary their intensity, so as to be in top form and not get depleted.
Does the same thing exist for intellectuals? Are there guiding principles to steal from sports?
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Some publishers didn't wait for Google to even get there to get started on that sort of thing, Don!
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What's that?
You need a frame of reference because it doesn't quite look the same depending on which glasses you're wearing.
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I do worry about a coming identity blitzkrieg, though.
Those ads do cost advertisers, yes. If by "priced in" you mean it contributes to Facebook’s valuation, then yes!
Good measurement is hard, but at least if I pay attention to myself I can sort moments into two buckets: brain works, or brain struggles. Struggling isn’t the same as getting stuck on simple — it’s more that focusing on a basic sentence is slow and bad.
WANT.
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This, very much this. Just look at the evil megacorps we got from a generation of us tech folks being stupid about the money.
Quoting a tweet by @Chronotope ↗
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You might not be able to get a woman president this time around, but remember: you can still empower the smart women around you. Hire them, support them, promote them, listen to them, give them hard projects, give them credit.
That’s how we persist.
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If you’re not reading it, then citing it seems pretty suspect in my book!
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For all their flaws standard groups are how we solve problems collectively. Privacy is one of today's most important issues in tech and all the players who care are getting together to map a common path forward.
I'm therefore happy to say that @nytimes is joining the Privacy CG!
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Thank you 🤗
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Me too! I mean, I’m officially retired from standards, but still ;-)
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So. Many. Times.
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There are other CGs?
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Never heard that one before. Never.
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AI is just a lot of dumb statistics engineered together with duct tape — it’s quite different from how maths works.
I’ve been wondering about that approach for a while. I was more worried about complaints from purists fearing their perfect art might get distorted :-D
Am I the only moron who didn’t know that upgrading to Catalina will randomly delete data?
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Mine just deleted. All my data and all my projects. It just deleted them.
Praying the backup works!
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That at least is... logical and was bound to happen eventually. Here it deleted my: code, writings, pics, music, video. Everything else untouched.
Yeah, I always wait so that the fanfolks can find all the issues. But it looks like this one made it through. Judging by the free space it's all gone.
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Oh absolutely, I didn't mean *reasonable* complaints. In my experience eg. sound purists tend to have somewhat irrational and loud issues.
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Arguably that's by design 🤭
So I found the issue and the files are in fact there! I don’t know where the extra 15GB came from… It turns out, the root FS is now read-only, so it moves the files to some weird place. It’s… better than deleting but still not friendly!
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I have backups! And a good thing is that I found out they weren’t working as well as I thought they were.
But that’s how I figured the issue out. Nothing was coming up for search variants on “Catalina deleted files”. But Time Machine refused to restore…
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So I poked around and noticed that the root dir was read-only, with various mount indirections, which is why restoring couldn’t work. Then searching for “Catalina root read-only” brought up solutions.
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I’m afraid we’re stuck with it and have to hope things work better in the forward direction? I’m still going through some Unix haX0ring to get my system to behave sort of like it used to…
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"Allowing people who share responsibility for our tech dystopia to keep control of the narrative means we never get to the bottom of how and why we got here, and we artificially narrow the possibilities for where we go next."
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"The prodigal tech bro doesn’t want structural change. He is reassurance, not revolution. He’s invested in the status quo, if we can only restore the founders’ purity of intent. (…) Those others who said years ago what he’s telling you right now? They’re troublemakers."
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"These ‘I was lost but now I’m found, please come to my TED talk’ accounts typically miss most of the actual journey, yet claim the moral authority of one who’s ‘been there’ but came back. It’s a teleportation machine, but for ethics."
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I could keep on quoting but just reading the original from beginning to end is *way* better: "The Prodigal Techbro", one more excellent piece from @mariafarrell.
conversationalist.org/2020/03/05/the…
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32bit isn’t coming back and so I wouldn’t recommend downgrading as that’ll only lead to getting stuck with an OS that will be decreasingly supported… Maybe the best option is for you to run an older OS in a VM just for those?
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The impact of ads on agency & autonomy is a highly important and understudied topic, but I think that's a simpler characterisation than the topic deserves.
If I show my ad to the whole population and convince 10% is that more ethical than showing it to just those 10%?
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I'm not saying this in defence of BT, which is fraught for other reasons, I think that the ethics of influence deserve more.
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I recommend reading papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cf… as it has very good ideas but I feel that we need a more systematic way of thinking about the right to autonomy if we are going to tackle weird objects like ads. I'm working on it!
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Has anyone carried out a solid study of the costs stemming from having to build the same thing multiple times in order to support app platforms in addition to the Web?
I'm particularly interested in the impact on small local news outlets.
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Can you share it?
Right, but there is no (technical) reason why both are needed at all, it's entirely Apple's decision to make it so.
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I'd love to read what you can share, I'm at given.family@nyt. Thanks!
So very true!
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I'd love to tell people they don't need a mobile app but there is an entire class of users that discovers services only by searching for apps. At the very least it should be possible to register installable Web apps with stores.
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Thanks a lot!
I'm interested in an eventual policy angle on deliberate decisions to render the web less competitive with apps and the impact it has on smaller pubs (and businesses). DMing!
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I wonder how much white label apps actually bring the costs down versus look cheaper at first (cc @jarroddicker). React Native might not help because React bloats things and makes them hard to reason about. How did you isolate testing costs from just inconvenient tech?
C'est pas dynastique (à ma connaissance), mais John Le Fucker n'est pas trop mal. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_le_F…
Cet homme mériterait un film.
That's been my experience as well, or you end up with something that works by looking equally crap everywhere (Java memories...). The Web is the only platform I've seen that doesn't suffer from this, I think largely because it took a very different architectural path.
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So basically you're proposing clique distancing, on the assumption that clique mixing happens faster in large meetings (probably right). I would assume the effect will depend on how connected the cliques already are?
This should be visible in the data, large *local* meetings (where cliques likely overlap a lot anyway) should have limited impact on slowing down a giant component, whereas a very international meeting of the same size would be riskier?
This seems like a strong assumption, or am I missing something? Does it not dictate the result?
This thread is giving me bad epidemiology ideas.
For instance, could we not #SlowTheSpread by quarantining all the people whose Facebook or LinkedIn account show as having more than N connections? At what N do we break cliques apart from the larger components? t.co/7j2OXLuAD1
Disclaimer: this is Sunday morning musing, do not take epidemiological advice from a Twitter crackpot who's just read a few random books and papers.
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Not quite! My intuition is that big meetings bring together smaller but more stably/regularly connected groups. So the driver of transmission isn't how many people a typical attendee will meet but across how many groups they will interact.
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So if the groups gathering are already highly connected otherwise (eg. they're all in the same city) I would expect the effect to be different from if they're not. But my assumption is that local cliques stay connected even with social distancing.
Forgetting dystopian considerations it might work. We'll probably never find out though.
Reading between the lines they seem to largely be using geolocation tracking to know who has intersected? This could be done in the US very easily. It's hilarious to read all the concerns over privacy in that article when everyone with a smartphone here is tracked more 😋
My assumption is that if something needs to aggressively market itself to you that's a red flag for product quality. And they basically never relent.
You can use Netflix on a Chromebook!
One of the fun side effects of having a Weird Internet Career is that you can move to a mainstream income type (in my case, salaried employment) yet people *still* have no clue whatsoever what it is you're actually doing.
kottke.org/20/03/weird-in…
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“Daddy works with computers.”
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Mine have started using a computer and all they want to do is... email. I'm considering pushing them towards a career either in standards or middle management 🤭
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I feel like I’ve been reading that specific op-ed for, what, twenty years now? I wonder if someone has studied them for similarities, I wouldn’t be shocked if it turned out to all be the work of a single plagiarism ring.
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If your theory is correct and such blunt tactics actually do end up working, then frankly we probably deserve to end up as zoo attractions for super AIs from the future. On the plus side, that’ll help drastically reduce terrorism.
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One undiscussed issue with the free and supported by behavioural/programmatic advertising model is that it is basically a monocrop. And with monocrops, famine strikes with the first shock to the system.
Like, say, a recession.
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This book I'm reading has as regular example a squirrel that intercepts a travelling golf ball and kicks it hard enough for it to hit a distant tree and bounce back into a hole.
From this we should infer that causal ontologists have:
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This was written in Tasmania though, I don't know what the squirrels are like over there.
Market concentration, complete take-over by programmatic, ad sales teams have been let go... I saw an IAB report from 2009 and it listed classifieds as a substantial source.
Hahaha fucking brilliant.
That's... actually a believable explanation. Just think of future kids studying 20th century philosophy, though. They'll be having nightmares of our squirrel megafauna.
I'm loving this and am really happy to see it happening. My only question is: why just reseed at browser restart? I only restart my browser when I'm forced to reboot my device, which I only do for 0-days with significant risk of spontaneous combustion.
Ah, right, matching session lifecycle makes sense, thanks!
So, very conservatively taking 550 as the current number of cases and working from data showing doubling every six days, that's ~550×2^9 or about 280k cases before we can effectively drive quarantines from testing, is this roughly right? We might need another approach...
Same, totally same, it's from the weight of my head.
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Frankly I’d do it even if I’m wrong, just to make people who care about status writhe and fume.
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I’ll admit that my first reaction to “we made a list of people who understand pressing issues in tech” was to roll my eyes, but then I saw the actual list and, whoa, that’s a lot of good people. washingtonpost.com/pr/2020/03/10/…
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Can haz? Last I poked at Web Components I spent hours getting a brittle example to suck instead of fail outright and I could never get the server to behave sensibly…
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I hope you’ll send us postcards from… Cleveland? Grenoble? Charleroi? Posadas? Darwin?
Do you think that media should be much better at privacy?
Do you want to intern with the coolest team in data governance?
Apply now! The position reports to @k_johnsn — there aren’t many people who’ve had as much experience with datagov in the trenches!
nytimes.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/NYT/job/…
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How much money for a “Best Twitter Drive-By Dad Joke” category?
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A time will come when the US abolishes slavery, but I guess a pandemic is not that time.
Quoting a tweet by @dnbrgr ↗
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I actually kinda like the modernised version 😁
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Ni dieu, ni maître, but autocorrect sa mère.
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Same! If there's no way to make it readonly but copiable maybe you could export it to Excel and make that downloadable?
Android contracts are fun, someone should look at search royalty contracts too :)
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Are any of you who were going to speak at @PrivacyPros Global Privacy Summit planning to do virtual versions?
The excellent folks at @nwspk are curating a list of useful #COVID_19 resources, from fighting misinformation to DYI ventilators. coronavirustechhandbook.com
Where’s the merch? I can’t seem to see it sold anywhere?
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React developers deserve no mercy, Anna.
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Maybe try bookshop.org/books/8581370/… ?
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Shelf space, shelf space... I can't seem to track it down but Deleuze had a great line about how the most indestructible arrangement was the pile 😁
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Where do you even find these? Do you hunt them at night in the darker spaces of the twitters?
It’s hard to believe WHO can’t provide decent-quality open data on, well, any matter of health that they cover. This is insane!
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So, this is the entry point to configure the whole dash: who.maps.arcgis.com/sharing/rest/c…
Yes — all the `query` endpoints seem to provide some data, but interpreting them requires going through a few indirections.
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I have it. There are two calls made that have f=pbf in their query parameters. That’s for format=Protobuf. If you replace the `pbf` with `json` you get the data. I put it here: gist.github.com/darobin/0bd176…
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If it isn’t we’ve failed.
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Yes, it’s annoying both ways and not what I would expect from a public organisation, even less so in health! Much power to @_HannahRitchie.
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This is all good advice: flattenthecurve.com
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I would like to personally extend my warmest thanks to the office of @XavierBecerra for making sure us privacy nerds remain busy under pandemic conditions by dropping a second set of edits to the CCPA regs. 🤓🤗 oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa
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It wasn't very good. I think it was trying to do a special case of GDPR's legitimate interest by outlining cases in which data processing would be fine. But it wasn't very clear, as clarifications go, and it had potential for misuse.
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Mexico will indeed pay for the Wall — to keep infected Americans out.
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🇪🇺European friends🇪🇺
A lot of American residents are going to find themselves stuck near you, some in difficult positions.
Most of them had no part in picking a leader incapable of tackling what we all face today.
Please organise to shelter and help them. Thank you!❤️
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Same here...
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Because… in the Netherlands the south of the country is so far from the north?
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I'm hearing that a fair bit from people in Paris, too. The lack of basic scientific literacy worries me.
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A week? It'll be there sooner!
Oh, that, on the contrary, seems optimistic! He's going to spend the rest of his life claiming this avoidable catastrophe was not his fault.
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Whoa, I really expected better from the Dutch.
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The notion that a virus might care if you came over by plane or bicycle is, what? Some kind of magical thinking?
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It might save your life.
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I can’t find the feature, can users just create their own?
Yup. I’ve long been wondering if session cookies shouldn’t be tab-bound, but whenever I mention that a spectral browser engineer springs out of nowhere and wails “cooOoOOOmmmmPaaatibilityyyyyyy issssssuUUuUUUes!”
Quoting a tweet by @ericlaw ↗
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Tim, is the Foundation planning to follow up on this call to action with concrete policy proposals? (I think Danielle might be able suggest a _few_ ideas…) Because if not this feels very high level and unlikely to produce much change.
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will eventually fix all the things.
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Ah, thanks! I don’t wish to bother anyone there — if this eventually becomes something regular users can do then I’ll use it!
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I don’t think necessarily so? I would expect all tabs to a given origin would share the same session and it would only go away if all closed.
3P sessions, well, who cares? ;-)
Yes! And this would be great.
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That’s not what I meant with (handwavy) tab-bound — I’m looking at lifecycle. Sessions belong to domains, and we could consider them alive so long as there exists one tab that matches them. When the last tab dies, it dies.
Essentially, they’d be like today except instead of getting terminated at browser exit they would terminate at a set of conditions triggered on tab close.
Avocados from Mexico is actually one of my favourite examples, I use it in training all the time. They couldn’t find adult women more than 20-30% of the time — it’s hard to understand how you can fail that thoroughly.
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I haven’t asked internally but it looks like programmatic to me.
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Yeah.
Any chance you'll open source that?
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It's all over the place and it's been that way forever. I recall when the WebApps group was looking at exposing lifecycle events there was essentially no clear definition of session and all the unclear ones were different :)
Seriously, if you made this up in a novel they'd call you a crazy leftist.
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Yeah, I mentioned it in passing without proper clarity. You can tell I’m in management now.
I mean, who closes their browser?
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I’ve wondered if it could be because they’re trying to acquire our microbiome as that would certainly protect them — but it’s just a thought I had watching my kids, it may well be utter bollocks.
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It’s interesting, but I’m not sure it’s good. There’s a reason why we don’t do everything on our mobile devices. I’m seeing the same trend, and some of those apps are missing out on some damn obvious things. Like useful keyboard access.
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From what I gather the summer should see a drop in epidemic status but it would pick up in the fall, so... don't make any plans for next spring?
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More time for writing? I'll read your new papers in the fall! 😀
I suspect democracy and authoritarian regimes differ far more in every day life than in the face of crisis.
What makes a difference in times of crisis is competent leadership.
Quoting a tweet by @meifongwriter ↗
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Loving the “BRB” title :-D
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Voilà!
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At 15 I'm flying, champagne is really good for your health that way.
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Oh noes! Jesus makes exceptions!
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I mean, any half-competent developer could ship a series of questions triaging people by Monday. (It could get tough coordinating 1,700 to do that, though.) The problem is more: what are the right questions, and is this useful?
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No Can, when you have a functioning government it’s called SOCIALISM.
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Chris, wherever you are, it is an honour to raise the last of my bubbles to you!
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It’s true both ways!
OMG! We discussed it the other night but it's one of those things that seem impossible until they happen, I mean, I remember Raman being AC Rep for Google before Google was founded.
Congratulations Chris, good luck for the interesting times to come. Another reason to drink! 😁
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Crazy thinking! 😁
I don't know, but if he does I bet @alanburdick knows about it!
Take care! You're admirable for doing this right when the world around you won't.
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Parenting, but you're cooped up with your kids 24/7 for an indeterminate length of time.
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Please do it faster than that. There is no value whatsoever in waiting to see if it will get as bad before acting.
Quoting a tweet by @roddreher ↗
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New York City is texting people to ask them to report price gouging from shops, but who is preventing adtech intermediaries from profiteering?
Quoting a tweet by @zeynep ↗
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Things seem to be getting better in Brooklyn, but it's a very recent change.
📚 I'm definitely not an epidemiologist, in fact I'm not trained in anything whatsoever, but here are a few books I've read that are helping me make sense of what's going on.
I'll add more as I remember them, please share yours!
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"The Structure and Dynamics of Networks", by Mark Newman, @barabasi, and @duncanjwatts. A compilation of classics about networks. bookshop.org/books/10457240…
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"Network Science", by @barabasi. A great textbook, clear, with beautiful graphics, and accessible. bookshop.org/books/991315/9…
Rhubarb pies make it worth it.
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I would encourage you to socialise rhubarb planting. That way you can move sooner and have confidence that others will have planted it too wherever you move to.
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That's a start, but maybe a bit tame. We're talking about rhubarb here, Adrienne! RHUBARB PIES! Have you considered guerilla planting operations? With social distancing, no one will dare stop you.
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Frankly, the best way I know is just to chew on the raw rhubarb stems until you can’t feel your gums. But I recognise that there are levels on the path to enlightenment.
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Thank you 🤗 You too!
You know, this is not what I had in mind when I said we need better privacy.
(#TooSoon?)
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Yeah, we're looking into virtual drinks and figuring out what we could keep the kids busy with!
People have already thought of it. There are potential limitations on both sides, but it can almost certainly be done.
I assume that there must be some sort of coordinating body for state governors (at least some sort of informal group)? Can we call upon it to organise some leadership? Short of a coup it's not going to come from federal institutions, we know that now.
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Thank you Eileen! 😀🤗
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Merci! 💋
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Thank you!! 🌟
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Merci Stuart!
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GDPR has "protection of vital interests" as a legal basis. But it would stop working when it ceases to be true.
Regarding the moral hazard, they're already doing this anyway!
Thank you Ben!
Merci!
Awww, thanks Sarah, you too!
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Thanks Loida!!!
Thank you thank you thank you Amy 🤗
Merciiiiii! 😁
Merci, c'est tout à fait mon genre de chapeau!
When the pandemic is over and they open our flats...
Hahaha, thanks! 😁
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Honestly, I was getting worried that they might wait longer (I wouldn't have sent my girls, but still) so in a way it's a present.
Thank you 😘 It sure looks like chaos *has* to be part of it!
It wouldn't be the worst idea to kick-start an ad hoc @NaNoWriMo session right now.
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Brilliant!
Shoshana!!!!
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I hope you also got some of the Vegemite chocolate!
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We set up a whole arts and crafts area that they can use at any time. So far it's helping. But yeah, it's going to be long.
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Awww, thank you 🤗
Awwwww!
Part of it 😉
Thank you 🤗 You too! 💋
Thanks Léonie, that's very thoughtful and not daft at all. I'm OK on the WFH front as I've done it a lot, but those who haven't might need support to adapt? The novel thing for me is WFH with kids, I've only done that with little babies and I'm really not sure what will happen!
Apple could contribute usefully to disaster relief by committing to sending working keyboard to people stuck working from home on their laptops.
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Don't worry, that's just one pile!
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Thanks Luke!
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DAAAAHUUUUT!
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Yeah, I require extra patience from colleagues too — but that’s nothing new.
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There might be a sarcasm piece about taking the time to smell the broken, unfair systems in there?
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I would like to share a big, BIG shout out to the school teachers who are putting together amazing material at the drop of a hat and making children feel like everything is normal.
Thank you, we can never thank you enough.
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Hahaha, merci!
Yes. Oh so yes.
newyorker.com/cartoons/daily… @NewYorker and @podopie
Thank you! 🥂
Thank you! You have the best twitter handle right now 🐻
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Much much approved.
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A timely reminder that the broad impunity that allows platform to profit from distributing toxic content and misinformation kills people. This isn’t new, but our current predicament make it salient.
Neither the internet nor innovation need to be irresponsible to function.
Quoting a tweet by @gchaslot ↗
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You’re reading this right, and it’s just one example among many. Google has been actively promoting a channel claiming amputated arms can regrow.
Now that channel is giving its followers #Covid19 advice.
Quoting a tweet by @gchaslot ↗
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Thanks Pat! 😀
Haha, thanks Maria! It's actually earlier but since this is the office we wouldn't do it on the weekend 🤭
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It might be weird because it's a different teacher, but you want the courses? I can share the digital parts at least!
Awwwww 🤗
I’ll try to live up to it ;-)
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Thanks Aram :-D
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Just shared with you some stuff that Thelma got digitally; not sure it’ll work well but feel free to use! Her teacher made insanely fast last-minute plans on Friday and gave us books and stuff.
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Or (4) you can reform CDA230 to eliminate the perverse incentives that produce megaplatforms and obviate much of the content moderation problem by returning it to manageable, distributed scale!
Quoting a tweet by @alexstamos ↗
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What's the deadline for a primary challenge for the Republican presidential nomination? Any bets?
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There are (or were?) but I don't think they're credible, no?
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Lol, yeah, I'd rock it. "Functioning government is SOCIALISM, and people should die totally random preventable deaths because that's THE AMERICAN WAY!" How am I doing?
RNC support might shift fast!
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That, sir, is the unvarnished truth.
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I thought not being qualified was considered a plus? Bdumtschh!
Breathable air is a HANDOUT, it's the kind of thing they do in EUROPE!
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As, sadly, are many others, like CDT. You can tell @EFF and @CenDemTech are stuck in another century because when they talk about the Internet they still say it involves innovation.
I am not very familiar with how the Republicans do this. Can they change their mind by the convention?
I'm just thinking that when people's parents start dying outside the hospital they might grow a spine faster than evolution allows for. But then again, death cult psychology is hard to predict.
Because the science & tech geeks brain trust won't do it differently if the manner in which expertise is handled doesn't change. I mean, just look at the mess that tech put itself in without even needing an extrinsic shock.
I think the halving of millions is where we can point at actual policy failures. The whole reason organisations do tabletops is to have protocols at the ready when disaster strikes. Most tabletops end horribly precisely so you can have the best response to the worst.
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I don't believe that China is handling this because they're authoritarian. I think they were just ready for it because of SARS and friends.
Why aren't we ready? That's a very good question to answer. I'm just sceptical that techno-solutionism would help much?
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Answers to Your Coronavirus Questions: a free ebook from @nytimes to help you navigate this crisis. nytimes.com/article/answer…
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Hi Emily, it’s a pleasure meeting you. I think it’s much more important that you chat with Danielle if she’s up for it, but I’m certainly happy to join. My DMs are open and my email is given.family@nyt. Thanks!
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Google Classroom is totally not yet another way of sucking yet more data from your family. That’s why, in order for your child to chat with their teacher, it is absolutely required that we know their exact date of birth and gender.
I’m so tired of these people.
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It's *classroom* software. It should just be child-compliant by default. Instead it's using forced consent to get me to hand over data rights for my kids.
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Thanks — please share when you have it!
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Even that, frankly, doesn’t seem needed — this is clearly child-directed. All you need to know is that they’re a student and not a teacher (which they also ask).
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It's also hard to assess because the terms they use to create an account and a Google Family are different in Europe, IIRC. But if I take my family back to France, I think they're in trouble. The manner in which they obtain "consent" is pretty bad!
Maybe that's something between the student and their friends/teachers, and doesn't need to be recorded? As usual I don't doubt that someone had good intentions at some point, but I'm exhausted with how irresponsible the threat modelling remains.
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If a service is child-directed you’re de factor in COPPA scope (and likely others), the only reason to ask for a DOB is to *exclude* yourself from COPPA requirements for users older than 13.
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Either way, as always, I’m sure there are plenty of good intentions in there.
Beyond the specifics of this case, the problem is that it’s clear that no one stops to think about the threat. What happens when G has a few bad consecutive Qs and data brokerage starts to look good?
Entirely true. It’s not a very good product, either, it feels like something Google built as an afterthought to get another contract.
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I really want to make sure they’re a thing! What I’m trying: 1) not working, 2) having the kids on a different schedule (they can watch some TV in the morning, no homework, longer walks outside).
Let’s see how it works...
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Typical developer…
I’m not worried about birthdates, I’m worried about what the decision to collect birthdates reveals about other likely data collection decisions.
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Also, getting pronouns could make sense — but it’s asking for gender. There is no general mapping of one to the other. Some people identify as a relatively binary gender yet prefer “they”.
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Isn't it just because everyone is on MacBooks and they have bad cams?
Things might be better by then!
Translating what? It’s a classroom…
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If your kids were to spend the majority of their day there — yes, you absolutely should. That’s why our kids-directed services don’t work that way.
But people in a given classroom usually speak the same language and don’t need translation services?
Most of my stuff works that way, but I think the “right” way involves using Vault or similar.
Wouldn’t you expect catastrophe/let’s all stick together/war president types of support, at least at first?
As a speaker of a heavily gendered language (French), I have to note:
• You don’t need my gender to address me.
• Knowing my gender won’t tell you how to speak about me in the third person if I picked a non-binary option.
So I’m not sure what problem this actually solves?
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There’s an easy first step to solve the core problem though: adopt a privacy policy that prevents data reuse across services.
Sadly, that ship sailed in 2016. So now my daughters’ data can be sold in open programmatic! 💸🤑💵
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You know you're in New York when the Governor issues an executive order designating restaurants and bars as essential businesses. ♥️🗽
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Oooh, 🔥!
I've worked with COPPA and there's nothing about it I've found too strict. We should build a smart world for people, especially kids, and not make resisting monopoly power a personal responsibility issue.
Well, it's the Google Account, there is no purpose limitation, so a pronoun is probably used somewhere.
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But either way, we can talk about pronouns all night but when the rubber hits the road I had a substantial amount of drinks with Google's lobbyists when last in Sacramento and if Google cares about privacy they haven't been told - quite the contrary in fact.
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Sorry, I'm not sure I get that?
I'm still not 100% sure that I get your point (I want to!) but note that one reason we can't make it clearer is because Google point-blank refuses to tell us what you do with the data you collect on our site! Our PP has to cover that too, so it can only be fuzzy m
Some of us have most or even all of our social contacts through work. With isolation across the board, take a minute to reach out to coworkers or people around you who might be sheltered at home with no interaction until Monday.
If you're in that situation, my DMs are open!
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Oooooooooh. This site needs a burn button. 🔥
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Who needs permission? It's just a field in a DB somewhere...
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"Maybe I could use the time to read some of those browser tabs," he mused.
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*moves some tabs into Pocket*
«There! I’ve accomplished so much right now.»
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Yes — but why require this? Have you seen the terms that parents are forced to consent to for this account?
The gender field isn’t optional — you can pick «Prefer not to say» which is a different statement from optional.
Mine does...
Not loudly, but she does. It's cute.
HERESY!
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The NYC DOE seems to have lost the plot, trying to go with mandatory synchronous attendance on its first week, when some families have limited digital proficiency. Teachers are doing a stellar job trying to support families but this is unhelpful to say the least.
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Our teachers are working through Sunday trying to make this work for families...
I was never much of an RSS user (the feeds just end up with my never-ending stash of tabs 😁) but Thunderbird seems to match that description? Cc @LauraKalbag
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I know I’ve complained about Google Classroom’s gratuitous grab of children’s data, but in fairness I must admit that it’s also remarkably painful to use.
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It's the usual known stuff with Google accounts for kids, forced consent, unnecessary disclosure of age and gender. There's probably more, but that's what's immediately obvious.
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There's this but nothing more formal I'm afraid!
Google Classroom is totally not yet another way of sucking yet more data from your family. That’s why, in order for your child to chat with their teacher, it is absolutely required that we know their exact date of birth and gender. I’m so tired of these people.♥ 310↺ 91
Be nice to IT, don't forget that when this is over they'll basically be running your Silo.
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If I ran a large adtech intermediary with no immediate cash flow problem, I'd consider forgoing my 30+% tax on advertising for small publishers.
@Google, @amazon what about a little help for democracy?
Quoting a tweet by @tiffkhsu ↗
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I loved this article: "The Great Empty" nyti.ms/2Uy6M2t
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No, I did not ask for a policy that prevents data brokerage — I asked for a threat model that does.
The risk of direct data harm to users from Google *today* is in part limited by Google’s need for goodwill — if only to retain employees.
But the threat is: how many bad quarters in a row before that stops mattering? What happens if your kids can’t get into college N years from now because Google is selling access to a model that shows they underperformed in Google Classroom? Or because you don’t buy enough books?
You can repeat with health, credit, etc. It’s a very long list of threats.
The way to contain that is: limit collection, decrease retention, silo data processing, minimise, minimise, minimise. It’s very obvious, at every turn, that that’s not happening at all. Am I wrong?
Think of it as a maintenance problem: you’re not doing it for you and your nice coworkers now — you’re doing it for the vulture capital that’ll sell you for parts when a better search engine comes or search ads no longer make money.
And if you really want to go into equivalences that don’t work so well because scale and scope are just not commensurable: yes, that’s part of my threat model for The Times. We’re not at all perfect with it, but we’ve decreased collection a lot and sharing to controllers 90+%.
I’m off to bed — but as always happy to talk more!
There are! They're not good enough, and not enforced enough, and Google is pushing the FTC very hard to weaken them. But they exist!
My god. Moodle. So that thing still exists. That said, try this mix:
* special managed Gsuite account (gov provided), can't log into a Chromebook
* Chromebook with child account, can't have simultaneous logins
* Chrome, forces you to be logged in to the underlying user
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* Google Docs, refuses to work on Non-Chrome mobile browsers
* Google Docs app, can only use the OS's account
Turns out, you can't use Google Classroom for a child on a Chromebook with a managed account. Magic! 🌟 🎈
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Yes, if you minimise to the point that you go out of business it's not a good strategy 😅
But it's not obvious that Google is minimising sufficiently here. Eg. how many times a day does Android share my location & mode of locomotion back and is that really preventing bankruptcy?
Google sells data, despite claims to the contrary, so the wording is insufficient. Also, the PP can be changed at any time. It's a step! But it has limits.
Possibly, though it also depends on how legible classroom data. For me the mandatory DOB and gender aren't the heart of the issue, rather they *reveal* the lack of care for the problem. That's what I'm tired about, beyond that no one is perfect!
The UK might be one of the rare countries to have treated digital systems as public infrastructure. It's not perfect but you have stuff to show for it!
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Excellent, excellent @zeynep on asystemic thinking as a major contributor to our collective failure to handle the pandemic. The same intellectual toolbox limitation translates to poor understanding of the impact of tech, here it kills more directly.
theatlantic.com/technology/arc…
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Say I buy targeting from Google (pick whatever segment, eg. women 25-40) and I use a DMP tracker in my ad, I now have a segment of people matching that demographic, which I can overlay with my own users. So I’ve effectively bought that information from Google, no?
I guess the fact that Google Docs force-switches to “mobile basic” mode on all mobile browsers — including Chromium ones — except Chrome is yet another “totally unintentional” issue?
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I signed up with “Firefox Better Web with Scroll”: firstlook.firefox.com/betterweb/
So far: it’s a smooth experience, very easy onboarding, high-speed ad-free experience with the publishers making money — more than with ads apparently!
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Yeah, I guess there must be some sort of legal reason.
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Agreed! There’s a lot of good thinking around new models now that it’s clear that the existing ad infrastructure is failing. It’s cool to see some consumer products come out of it!
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I know — but I think it’s fair that they’re trying multiple things.
Ha! SURPRIIIIIISE!!!
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Yeah, I try to keep things low key, you know how it is of course.
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Bring your kids.
Bring your pets.
Bring your partner(s).
Bring your friends.
Bring your plush toys.
Bring your whole self.
There’s no other etiquette worth having.
Quoting a tweet by @nytimestech ↗
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Here is the initial article that was tweeted with indication that pets and kids aren't welcome in "Zoom etiquette" 😁
nyti.ms/2Uz1DHp
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Lol, they pulled it!
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I think it was unpopular 😁
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Follow @kzwa for essential, quality content in these trying times. 🐆💨
Quoting a tweet by @kzwa ↗
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🐩💨!
Oh god. Sanity! Wither begone art thoust?
I spotted that one, but awe kept me from using it in vain.
I was thinking "The Birds", but your option is good too!
I tried locking the door once but they just banged hard as as they could 😂
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I have but… they keep coming back!
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*clap* *clap* *clap*
Well played.
And the person who added the magical `role=button` to the root of that sub-forest made it VP Eng, I guess 🤭
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I’m dumb — of course! That’s so smart.
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It’s why those whiteboard interviews matter: you need to make sure people know algorithmic strategies like DIVide and conquer.
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It’s more Web-scale!
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Frameworks are the <div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div> of all evil.
Quoting a tweet by @tabatkins ↗
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What I love most is that if you don't specify you get an error message saying you must, with a specific value. I shudder to think about why they might be doing that instead of DWIMming.
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Brian was being facetious, it's just bad code. And sorry, it reads: </span></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>.
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We rented a place out of town so we would have a backyard for the girls to play in in case of a lockdown (and also for general sanity). The wreath is fake 🤭
I think they tried to spell that in Morse using spans and divs 😁
I wish they all fit in the time span of a single breakfast…
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Most of my breakfasts this week have been about frantically trying to get technology to do its thing on time for the girls' morning telcons. They've learnt a lot of interesting new words! But existential dread has been put off until after the apocalypse.
Do you fine people have recommendations on upgrading a Chromebook to Linux? There seem to be lots of options out there, I’m looking for one that will decrease the level of tech support I need to provide for a child user (and is generally less buggy/absurd).
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Thanks!
Looks neat — thanks!
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You’re not the first to ask — I’ve passed it along!
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I’m not sure you’re entirely fair there Eileen, I’m kind of intrigued by “The Cookie Sutra: An Ancient Treatise: that Love Shall Never Grow Stale. Nor Crumble.” ;-)
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That’s entirely fair — to be honest I looked at a few pages and the only effect is that now I’m hungry :)
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Greenport, at the end of Long Island. It's nice seaside but not posh like the Hamptons where rich NYers are in bidding wars for spots outside the city... How are things on your coast?
I love these people. t.co/rGRQS4HFSl
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Please make a how-to video for xfunall.
Brand safety vendors are yet another part of the adtech world with bad governance. They harm publishers, it's unclear that they help brands, but you won't get fired for using one so the incentives are aligned for using them with blunt force. (via @masooga)
buzzfeednews.com/article/craigs…
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I always thought that scarifications would work great for you.
Thank you! All I had was the Wahl Peanut since I normally just have the beard to handle, which naturally I picked from thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-b…. It worked fine for hair as well!
Biologist/complexity friends: is there a name for the difference between (or the switch from one to the other) an organism that is essentially reactive to information (eg. chemotaxis) and one that manipulates the world to match its needs/knowledge model better?
Thanks, those are useful! Right, I'm not looking for intent, I'm more interested in effect.
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Has anyone written on the link between phrónēsis and mētis? It would seem like those two *want* to be conceptually articulated but I can't seem to find instances.
Pretty badass too!
Et ça va sinon?
The best we can be, I hope you too!
My family started three weeks ago, but NYC hasn't hit the peak yet so we have no idea how long this will last. Probably into May at least.
Han ça a l'air trop bien, merci! J'ai voulu le commander là mais, euh, bon...
Any recipe recommendations?
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Toi aussi tu t'offres une parenthèse, un sursis?
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MAUVAISE RÉPONSE!
I've often thought of moving to Portugal. Great food, great poetry, great leadership. Here's one more example.
Quoting a tweet by @trekonomics ↗
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Hugging people!
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You got this!
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Wheeeeeee
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I'm not surprised, it was bound to be a problem.
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I suspect this is less about AI and more about design. Use positional sound and some matching on-screen representation so that we can process people talking at once because they're spatially distinct. At least that's my armchair guess.
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That’s… that’s just beautiful.
@avadacatavra, time to unsheath the XR magic?
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I’m very tempted to try this for my team. There’s a bug that makes it hard to use though: its keyboard handler doesn’t stop propagation/prevent default, so using WASD to move around triggers Firefox’s fast-link search… and then I can’t move.
Can’t rotate :-D It’s an easy fix, I’d go fix it if I had a wee bit more time!
If you’re tired of the same old videoconferencing, try this! t.co/MD5J3KMjGG
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Confiné, il mange son fromage avec du vin blanc.
"M'en fous," déclare à sa famille cet homme de 43 ans connu des services de police.
#ConfinéVirgule
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Amis français•es: la seule source officielle avec les chiffres français à jour pour le coronavirus semble être… un JPEG. Il y a mieux ou c’est un peu la honte là? santepubliquefrance.fr/maladies-et-tr…
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Ah super merci! J’ai cherché “covid” dans data.gouv hier soir et je n’ai trouvé que des données relatives aux urgences? Anyway — ça, ça marche!
Oui, un peu la mort!
On the Chromebook I was seeing a usable version in Chrome vs other browsers.
Wait a few more years to pull that article out if you really want to make fun of me ;-)
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@RalphsFamous Hi! Do you know which days/times your Greenport store is open at? I saw that it was opening but it was closed when I went. Thanks!
"85,000 attribute taxonomy" is such a lengthy way to spell "bullshit", though.
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A welcome distraction in an otherwise rather… grizzly timeline.
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